I think the difference here is, they build Z cars. They fabricate and create unusual Z cars. From Chris's what was to be one of the most powerful on the streets 2+2 monster, to Joel's only to be know Big Super Single convertible you see on here, to Shawn's hidden secret fast ass driving Z. There very hidden over there and display great things. But I think since they concentrate on Z32's so much and bench test so much. They have it right before we even know. Where Pete had his build as a customer who is now yielding all kinds of problems and not sure where Primespeed falls into the mix of what to do or how there still involved with it. I've talked with Joel and Chris for a long time on here. Even thought they might not be friends like they where, they all have a passion for Z's over there that is clearly seen by what we see today and the creations are unlimited. Not to mention having Rich just around the corner surely puts everything in good hands if information was quickly needed and could even lead to hands on.