Subject	Uhh, yea.
Posted by	Funky (NWZ) on July 10, 2003 at 12:00 PM
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In Reply To	DYNO info inside. Raising the Octane level in and of itself posted by MugenRacer on July 10, 2003 at 11:18 AM
Message	The whole point is to utilize the increase in octane. Toluene content in gasoline varies by state because of different regulations on Aromatic Hydrocarbon content in gasoline. (federal law is 40%, California law for example is 30%) Unless that was a turbocharged kart, it's really not the same ballgame. One of the primary gating factors on the boost level you can run on a turbocharged engine with any given timing/fuel curve is the antiknock index of the fuel. This is already obvious to most people here. In the specific instance of that Kart, raising the octane isn't going to help unless you are combating spart retard. (which isn't occurring) With the advanced knock control systems of modern cars, you will see an increase in power if you successfully combat spark retard. (this is assuming the retard is occurring, if it's not... then you are wasting your time)
Follow Ups	I'm hooked on toluene* - sebring1970 (robo) 06:26:04 07/10/03 very nice disclaimer. - Z U N L 07:55:13 07/10/03 Yes, octane booster. My research shows the - sebring1970 (robo) 10:36:31 07/10/03 Just curious what this is costing you... - jddealer 08:29:03 07/10/03 I get mine from Sherwin Williams in 5-gallon barrels... - Funky (NWZ) 09:20:04 07/10/03 ummm... $35 vs $7.50 is a big difference for not much gain. (n/m) - MugenRacer 09:34:24 07/10/03 It's a huge gain... - Funky (NWZ) 10:26:42 07/10/03 But you can run 15psi safely on 93 Pumpgas and get the same - MugenRacer 11:17:33 07/10/03 It's not the same... - Funky (NWZ) 11:46:43 07/10/03 It is the same. I'm lowering timing at all. - MugenRacer 12:06:21 07/10/03 *not* (n/m) - MugenRacer 12:07:14 07/10/03 Your JWT ECU retards timing quite a bit... (n/m) - Funky (NWZ) 12:13:00 07/10/03 Not according to the Techtom. (n/m) - MugenRacer 12:14:38 07/10/03 You must not have a very good reference for what the stock.. - Funky (NWZ) 12:23:25 07/10/03 Ha! Indirect costs? Perhaps an engine rebuild? JK, - sebring1970 (robo) 11:06:21 07/10/03 I think you'll be buying new injectors soon (n/m) - aliaZ 08:38:40 07/10/03 Injector internals are SS. Tolulene doesn't react with - AshsZ of Z1Motorsports.com 09:02:18 07/10/03 then why the TSB on using fuel injector cleaners - aliaZ 09:15:29 07/10/03 Manufacturers are always quick to blame outside - Boosted_One (SoCal) 09:46:31 07/10/03 from what I understand... - aliaZ 10:10:20 07/10/03 Pump gas contains Toluene as a Knock inhibitor... - Funky (NWZ) 09:18:45 07/10/03 depends on the concentration I would imagine - aliaZ 09:28:14 07/10/03 I'm running Nismo 555cc injectors. (n/m) - sebring1970 (robo) 10:41:58 07/10/03 the early style? - aliaZ 10:47:33 07/10/03 fuel pump, pressure reg, and dampener - ni[X]it 10:03:51 07/10/03 There was a good post on that earlier, about a guy that - sebring1970 (robo) 10:46:38 07/10/03 The concentration is the key. - Funky (NWZ) 10:51:23 07/10/03 Yeah, I agree. I have reached my "comfort level" on - sebring1970 (robo) 11:01:36 07/10/03 toluene, as in the second T in TNT? - Zcrup92 09:11:49 07/10/03 Taken from an article I posted a link to in one of my - sebring1970 (robo) 10:50:39 07/10/03 Sortof like saying O2 is in HCN02 (hydrocyanic acid) - AshsZ of Z1Motorsports.com 10:59:59 07/10/03 Yes, that's what it is >> - ChristopherTheOne 15:54:35 07/10/03 And isn't it amazing the addition of one methyl group - sebring1970 (robo) 17:49:24 07/10/03 DYNO info inside. Raising the Octane level in and of itself - MugenRacer 11:18:30 07/10/03 I hear what you're saying, and have read many times - sebring1970 (robo) 11:43:03 07/10/03 My huge gain is from the ability to run high boost with - Funky (NWZ) 11:48:29 07/10/03 on toluene, correct? But perhaps I still misunderstood - sebring1970 (robo) 11:58:06 07/10/03 Yes, just toluene. - Funky (NWZ) 12:02:06 07/10/03 Nothing wrong with that. (n/m) - MugenRacer 12:13:47 07/10/03 Uhh, yea. - Funky (NWZ) 12:00:00 07/10/03 No Total Aromatics is 40%Fed 30%Cal. Not Just Toluene. - MugenRacer 12:10:37 07/10/03 Yes, that's what I said... Aromatic Hydrocarbon Content (n/m) - Funky (NWZ) 12:11:13 07/10/03 From the other day - ZBlacktt 12:07:35 07/10/03 Thanks. (n/m) - MugenRacer 12:11:07 07/10/03 "A little more timing" is a big understatement. =) - AshsZ of Z1Motorsports.com 15:52:38 07/10/03 Something else worth noting... - Funky (NWZ) 23:24:16 07/10/03
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