Subject	I hear what you're saying, and have read many times
Posted by	sebring1970 (robo) on July 10, 2003 at 11:43 AM
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In Reply To	DYNO info inside. Raising the Octane level in and of itself posted by MugenRacer on July 10, 2003 at 11:18 AM
Message	that you are supposed to run your car on the lowest octane it can safely handle, especially your average daily driver vehicle. But then why do so many folks swear their cars run better on higher octane? Placebo effect? What about Funky's "huge gain" above? I have seen theories that the improved volatility of toluene (100%) creates an accelerated exhaust gas that improves turbo boost, like he reported. I am trying to be as objective as my butt-dyno will allow, and it appears to me that my engine is running smoother and pulling harder than it ever has. The engine even sounds different at idle and under WOT. I realize I don't have a right to make any claims without objective proof, but I think the performance issue on higher octane still leaves a lot of points to be debated. I'm expecting a big drop in my fun factor once I fill up next with just "plain" gas.
Follow Ups	I'm hooked on toluene* - sebring1970 (robo) 06:26:04 07/10/03 very nice disclaimer. - Z U N L 07:55:13 07/10/03 Yes, octane booster. My research shows the - sebring1970 (robo) 10:36:31 07/10/03 Just curious what this is costing you... - jddealer 08:29:03 07/10/03 I get mine from Sherwin Williams in 5-gallon barrels... - Funky (NWZ) 09:20:04 07/10/03 ummm... $35 vs $7.50 is a big difference for not much gain. (n/m) - MugenRacer 09:34:24 07/10/03 It's a huge gain... - Funky (NWZ) 10:26:42 07/10/03 But you can run 15psi safely on 93 Pumpgas and get the same - MugenRacer 11:17:33 07/10/03 It's not the same... - Funky (NWZ) 11:46:43 07/10/03 It is the same. I'm lowering timing at all. - MugenRacer 12:06:21 07/10/03 *not* (n/m) - MugenRacer 12:07:14 07/10/03 Your JWT ECU retards timing quite a bit... (n/m) - Funky (NWZ) 12:13:00 07/10/03 Not according to the Techtom. (n/m) - MugenRacer 12:14:38 07/10/03 You must not have a very good reference for what the stock.. - Funky (NWZ) 12:23:25 07/10/03 Ha! Indirect costs? Perhaps an engine rebuild? JK, - sebring1970 (robo) 11:06:21 07/10/03 I think you'll be buying new injectors soon (n/m) - aliaZ 08:38:40 07/10/03 Injector internals are SS. Tolulene doesn't react with - AshsZ of Z1Motorsports.com 09:02:18 07/10/03 then why the TSB on using fuel injector cleaners - aliaZ 09:15:29 07/10/03 Manufacturers are always quick to blame outside - Boosted_One (SoCal) 09:46:31 07/10/03 from what I understand... - aliaZ 10:10:20 07/10/03 Pump gas contains Toluene as a Knock inhibitor... - Funky (NWZ) 09:18:45 07/10/03 depends on the concentration I would imagine - aliaZ 09:28:14 07/10/03 I'm running Nismo 555cc injectors. (n/m) - sebring1970 (robo) 10:41:58 07/10/03 the early style? - aliaZ 10:47:33 07/10/03 fuel pump, pressure reg, and dampener - ni[X]it 10:03:51 07/10/03 There was a good post on that earlier, about a guy that - sebring1970 (robo) 10:46:38 07/10/03 The concentration is the key. - Funky (NWZ) 10:51:23 07/10/03 Yeah, I agree. I have reached my "comfort level" on - sebring1970 (robo) 11:01:36 07/10/03 toluene, as in the second T in TNT? - Zcrup92 09:11:49 07/10/03 Taken from an article I posted a link to in one of my - sebring1970 (robo) 10:50:39 07/10/03 Sortof like saying O2 is in HCN02 (hydrocyanic acid) - AshsZ of Z1Motorsports.com 10:59:59 07/10/03 Yes, that's what it is >> - ChristopherTheOne 15:54:35 07/10/03 And isn't it amazing the addition of one methyl group - sebring1970 (robo) 17:49:24 07/10/03 DYNO info inside. Raising the Octane level in and of itself - MugenRacer 11:18:30 07/10/03 I hear what you're saying, and have read many times - sebring1970 (robo) 11:43:03 07/10/03 My huge gain is from the ability to run high boost with - Funky (NWZ) 11:48:29 07/10/03 on toluene, correct? But perhaps I still misunderstood - sebring1970 (robo) 11:58:06 07/10/03 Yes, just toluene. - Funky (NWZ) 12:02:06 07/10/03 Nothing wrong with that. (n/m) - MugenRacer 12:13:47 07/10/03 Uhh, yea. - Funky (NWZ) 12:00:00 07/10/03 No Total Aromatics is 40%Fed 30%Cal. Not Just Toluene. - MugenRacer 12:10:37 07/10/03 Yes, that's what I said... Aromatic Hydrocarbon Content (n/m) - Funky (NWZ) 12:11:13 07/10/03 From the other day - ZBlacktt 12:07:35 07/10/03 Thanks. (n/m) - MugenRacer 12:11:07 07/10/03 "A little more timing" is a big understatement. =) - AshsZ of Z1Motorsports.com 15:52:38 07/10/03 Something else worth noting... - Funky (NWZ) 23:24:16 07/10/03
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