Subject	DYNO info inside. Raising the Octane level in and of itself
Posted by	MugenRacer on July 10, 2003 at 11:18 AM
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In Reply To	I'm hooked on toluene* posted by sebring1970 (robo) on July 10, 2003 at 06:26 AM
Message	provideds *NO* performance increase. Raising the Octane will allow you to run more boost (more than stock turbos can efficiently provide) or a little more timing. If you aren't tuning it with a Dyno, a wideband 02, EGT's, and a good knock sensor, you are not getting any benefit by adding Toluene to your fuel. Here's a good link on the results different additives *On a Dyno* Granted its a Kart on a dyno, but the same principles apply if you do no additional tuning to utilize the added octane. FYI In Minnesota, 3 Fuel producers averaged 4.5 - 6.0% Toluene in gasoline. 12th Page of this PDF, Page 6 of the document. "If Speed Kills, You're Talkin' to a Dead Man."
Follow Ups	I'm hooked on toluene* - sebring1970 (robo) 06:26:04 07/10/03 very nice disclaimer. - Z U N L 07:55:13 07/10/03 Yes, octane booster. My research shows the - sebring1970 (robo) 10:36:31 07/10/03 Just curious what this is costing you... - jddealer 08:29:03 07/10/03 I get mine from Sherwin Williams in 5-gallon barrels... - Funky (NWZ) 09:20:04 07/10/03 ummm... $35 vs $7.50 is a big difference for not much gain. (n/m) - MugenRacer 09:34:24 07/10/03 It's a huge gain... - Funky (NWZ) 10:26:42 07/10/03 But you can run 15psi safely on 93 Pumpgas and get the same - MugenRacer 11:17:33 07/10/03 It's not the same... - Funky (NWZ) 11:46:43 07/10/03 It is the same. I'm lowering timing at all. - MugenRacer 12:06:21 07/10/03 *not* (n/m) - MugenRacer 12:07:14 07/10/03 Your JWT ECU retards timing quite a bit... (n/m) - Funky (NWZ) 12:13:00 07/10/03 Not according to the Techtom. (n/m) - MugenRacer 12:14:38 07/10/03 You must not have a very good reference for what the stock.. - Funky (NWZ) 12:23:25 07/10/03 Ha! Indirect costs? Perhaps an engine rebuild? JK, - sebring1970 (robo) 11:06:21 07/10/03 I think you'll be buying new injectors soon (n/m) - aliaZ 08:38:40 07/10/03 Injector internals are SS. Tolulene doesn't react with - AshsZ of Z1Motorsports.com 09:02:18 07/10/03 then why the TSB on using fuel injector cleaners - aliaZ 09:15:29 07/10/03 Manufacturers are always quick to blame outside - Boosted_One (SoCal) 09:46:31 07/10/03 from what I understand... - aliaZ 10:10:20 07/10/03 Pump gas contains Toluene as a Knock inhibitor... - Funky (NWZ) 09:18:45 07/10/03 depends on the concentration I would imagine - aliaZ 09:28:14 07/10/03 I'm running Nismo 555cc injectors. (n/m) - sebring1970 (robo) 10:41:58 07/10/03 the early style? - aliaZ 10:47:33 07/10/03 fuel pump, pressure reg, and dampener - ni[X]it 10:03:51 07/10/03 There was a good post on that earlier, about a guy that - sebring1970 (robo) 10:46:38 07/10/03 The concentration is the key. - Funky (NWZ) 10:51:23 07/10/03 Yeah, I agree. I have reached my "comfort level" on - sebring1970 (robo) 11:01:36 07/10/03 toluene, as in the second T in TNT? - Zcrup92 09:11:49 07/10/03 Taken from an article I posted a link to in one of my - sebring1970 (robo) 10:50:39 07/10/03 Sortof like saying O2 is in HCN02 (hydrocyanic acid) - AshsZ of Z1Motorsports.com 10:59:59 07/10/03 Yes, that's what it is >> - ChristopherTheOne 15:54:35 07/10/03 And isn't it amazing the addition of one methyl group - sebring1970 (robo) 17:49:24 07/10/03 DYNO info inside. Raising the Octane level in and of itself - MugenRacer 11:18:30 07/10/03 I hear what you're saying, and have read many times - sebring1970 (robo) 11:43:03 07/10/03 My huge gain is from the ability to run high boost with - Funky (NWZ) 11:48:29 07/10/03 on toluene, correct? But perhaps I still misunderstood - sebring1970 (robo) 11:58:06 07/10/03 Yes, just toluene. - Funky (NWZ) 12:02:06 07/10/03 Nothing wrong with that. (n/m) - MugenRacer 12:13:47 07/10/03 Uhh, yea. - Funky (NWZ) 12:00:00 07/10/03 No Total Aromatics is 40%Fed 30%Cal. Not Just Toluene. - MugenRacer 12:10:37 07/10/03 Yes, that's what I said... Aromatic Hydrocarbon Content (n/m) - Funky (NWZ) 12:11:13 07/10/03 From the other day - ZBlacktt 12:07:35 07/10/03 Thanks. (n/m) - MugenRacer 12:11:07 07/10/03 "A little more timing" is a big understatement. =) - AshsZ of Z1Motorsports.com 15:52:38 07/10/03 Something else worth noting... - Funky (NWZ) 23:24:16 07/10/03
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