Subject	It's all about a very good running car for starters.
Posted by	ZBlacktt on July 04, 2003 at 1:51 AM
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In Reply To	Question for the 400+ whp stock turbo guys posted by cant_z_me(OH) on July 03, 2003 at 01:51 PM
Message	We all know after market parts will improve your over all numbers and performance gains. But old vacuum lines, bad clamps, low compression numbers, running to rich, carbon build on plugs, bad gas and so on can kill any of the upgrades as we all know. Some get lucky and find or have a good running car. Once I relocate back to the employed sector I'll finally make my way back to the dyno with the Black one. With it's new clutch. Remember most of these Z's are running on 12+ year old motors and just now breaking 400rwhp barriers, so you know the potential they have from new. Pop charger Full exhaust Brullen cat back EVC IV at 17psi 105gas 369.8rwhp and 424.9rwtq This was done with stock turbo's, stock intercoolers, stock injectors, stock timing, stock cooling system. Even thought stock turbo's die soon after 4500 to 5k, it's nice to know with Zero tuning, Zero touched timing and really three mods on the car you can get a good base line and run with that. Ash and Spong and a lot of these other guys have or did awesome tuning to there rides to get them hitting on all cylinders and holding the boost. The RWHP is nice, but the RWTQ is where your going to win your money in a race ;) STAGE V++++ Going to XV+ and beyond :) Yellow Z STAGE II Going to XI+
Follow Ups	Question for the 400+ whp stock turbo guys - cant_z_me(OH) 13:51:36 07/03/03 I can help somewhat - SeedyROM 13:57:51 07/03/03 Also something to remember - SeedyROM 14:00:30 07/03/03 true - cant_z_me(OH) 14:07:55 07/03/03 Excellent. (n/m) - SeedyROM 14:10:14 07/03/03 Re: Question for the 400+ whp stock turbo guys - Spongerider :) 14:08:38 07/03/03 How could I forget about you Spongy! (n/m) - SeedyROM 14:09:53 07/03/03 Should I bring a tooth pick for you on the 12th? (n/m) - Spongerider :) 14:24:53 07/03/03 Bastard :) (n/m) - SeedyROM 15:10:18 07/03/03 I'm racing AlanM too. I guess once the shit rolls out of - Spongerider :) 15:26:25 07/03/03 Good luck,,lol :) (n/m) - ZBlacktt 01:57:29 07/04/03 thanks...but what was TOTAL timing, not base. - cant_z_me(OH) 14:09:56 07/03/03 Well I guess I will have to make a few hard runs this - Spongerider :) 14:21:05 07/03/03 sounds wonderful (n/m) - cant_z_me(OH) 14:22:40 07/03/03 Why not just look in the timing map and see what it is? (n/m) - AshsZ of Z1Motorsports.com 14:25:14 07/03/03 I guess, I can but like I said from the begining I'm not a - Spongerider :) 14:29:07 07/03/03 Use the commander and go into the timing map, look at - AshsZ of Z1Motorsports.com 14:35:02 07/03/03 So are you saying that the values are the timing? (n/m) - Spongerider :) 15:01:15 07/03/03 The ignition timing is variable dependent on engine - AshsZ of Z1Motorsports.com 15:09:06 07/03/03 Ok, I try that. - Spongerider :) 15:16:35 07/03/03 I'm sorry you are taking this whole thread the wrong way - AshsZ of Z1Motorsports.com 15:28:24 07/03/03 What I wanted you to understand is if you ask - Spongerider :) 15:37:05 07/03/03 Yeah, that's cool. I understood what you meant. (n/m) - AshsZ of Z1Motorsports.com 15:41:21 07/03/03 ehehe. Nicely condescending. - bagz 15:38:01 07/03/03 An internet forum lacks enormous volumes of 'tonality' - AshsZ of Z1Motorsports.com 15:47:36 07/03/03 Agreed. - bagz 22:35:35 07/03/03 well said ash! (n/m) - turbo300 (miami) 13:59:12 07/04/03 Dean, your actual, or total timing, was significantly - AshsZ of Z1Motorsports.com 14:24:10 07/03/03 Yes I know, The XSECU lets you see real timing at idle - Spongerider :) 14:28:14 07/03/03 Well, the stock ECU doesn't have a display to show - AshsZ of Z1Motorsports.com 14:33:35 07/03/03 The Techtom MDM-100 is not adequate for reading base timing, - Z-Jay (Edmonton, AB) 14:50:41 07/03/03 Thank you for proving my point. :) (n/m) - Spongerider :) 14:57:49 07/03/03 Read my response. (n/m) - AshsZ of Z1Motorsports.com 15:02:31 07/03/03 I'm not sure you understand what 'base' timing is. - AshsZ of Z1Motorsports.com 15:00:39 07/03/03 Ash the best way to prove our points is to get a hold - Spongerider :) 15:04:44 07/03/03 I have used a techtom and I know what you are saying, - AshsZ of Z1Motorsports.com 15:06:31 07/03/03 I have it so I know. :) When the XSECU comes out in your - Spongerider :) 15:12:53 07/03/03 Does it have an optical device or a hall sensor - AshsZ of Z1Motorsports.com 15:15:34 07/03/03 Uses CAS. (n/m) - Spongerider :) 15:18:40 07/03/03 How does the PFC know if the CAS is properly calibrated? - AshsZ of Z1Motorsports.com 15:25:34 07/03/03 Before you install the XSECU you need to make sure that - Spongerider :) 15:33:18 07/03/03 A) JWT B) -- C) -- D) JWT (Genie) E) 17 degrees F) '92 (n/m) - sebring1970 (robo) 14:10:53 07/03/03 No tuning? What boost? Got a chart? (n/m) - SeedyROM 15:03:49 07/03/03 Correct, I'm not even sure what "tuning" entails. - sebring1970 (robo) 17:02:02 07/03/03 err...i didn't want estimates, man (n/m) - cant_z_me(OH) 17:06:48 07/03/03 Duly noted. Since JWT "guarantees" 396 HP with his - sebring1970 (robo) 17:29:15 07/03/03 396 flywheel hp...not rear wheel (n/m) - Only1Z 19:08:03 07/03/03 oh dear...where do i start? (n/m) - cant_z_me(OH) 22:53:02 07/03/03 I gaurantee you you don't have 400rwhp (n/m) - Spee 23:10:13 07/03/03 So, wishful thinking on my part. I'll get my car on a dyno - sebring1970 (robo) 07:56:54 07/04/03 Hold tight... - Spee 09:03:55 07/04/03 Re: Correct, I'm not even sure what "tuning" entails. - Magnum 12:02:54 07/04/03 The short answer would be, I'm an idiot :c) - sebring1970 (robo) 12:56:07 07/04/03 Good luck on boost jets and you have plugs twice in profile (n/m) - ZBlacktt 02:11:44 07/04/03 Two different plugs, gapped differently. I chose to - sebring1970 (robo) 07:54:25 07/04/03 About your email :) - ZBlacktt 17:52:53 07/04/03 Thank you for that. Only reason I E-mailed you was - sebring1970 (robo) 18:02:41 07/04/03 A) ZEMulator B)555cc C)I tuned it D) My custom exhaust - AshsZ of Z1Motorsports.com 14:42:32 07/03/03 Are there Auto TTZ's with 400rwhp? (n/m) - EricTTZ 15:00:02 07/03/03 If not yet, I hope to be one of them. - SeedyROM 15:03:03 07/03/03 can i see your dyno chart? (n/m) - EricTTZ 15:17:21 07/03/03 I posted it a while back, I'll try to find it again - SeedyROM 15:22:45 07/03/03 A) JWT ecu B) N/A C) Greg Dupree D) JWT Genie - degradated 16:02:25 07/03/03 wow - at what PSI? (n/m) - Danny(Austin) 22:58:45 07/03/03 It's all about a very good running car for starters. - ZBlacktt 01:51:09 07/04/03 Re: Question for the 400+ whp stock turbo guys - ChazZ 03:55:20 07/04/03
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