that's one of the reasons... you can't ask legit questions without someone saying something stupid... or going "ugh" or "2nd" or something dumb... hell, when I ask legit questions in technical, I'm lucky if I get an answer. You normally have to say something stupid or humorous to get people to even read your post let alone reply... its a real shame. The post Greg & Damon made about how the forum "used" to be is a real shame... I mean the crap that is on the forum now. Ugh... Oh well. I guess I'm just one voice in the crowd...