Subject	I have some major concerns>>
Posted by	Pats300zx on May 30, 2003 at 5:55 AM
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In Reply To	Wetsanding, Buffing, Polishing: 101 - The things the 'pros' posted by AshsZ (FabZEM All) on May 29, 2003 at 09:21 PM
Message	To begin, the rotary polisher that you are using is not for the novice. The potential to destroy your paint with one of those is so incredible. It will burn through your clearcoat in a second. Hell I have been detailing for years and I am afraid to use the thing. This is multiplied by the fact that you are using a wool pad which is one of the most aggressive pads out there. I think forum members would be much better off with a orbital buffer like the porter cable (PC) which is pretty much idiot proof. It generates no heat and the buffer travels in a figure 8 pattern. I also have concerns with the products that you are using. To begin, I think forum members would be able to achieve just as good as results with using proper products. For swirl removal, there are different levels of abrasiveness that can be used depending on the severity of the swirls. I think this would be much better than having the car wetsanded. I would work with the products and move up the scale (abrasiveness) until the swirls were removed. Start with the least and work up: 1) Paint Cleaner- S100 SEPC, Pinnacle PPCL etc 2) Megs #9 Swirl Remover or Klasse AIO 3) 3M Swirl Mark Remover (SMR) 4) 3M Finesse It II 5) 3M Finesse It III etc The products that you are using are from Megs Consumer Line. They are good but I don't really think they were meant for use with a rotary or orbital. They tend to be used by hand. I would have used the Megs products in the tan bottle like Megs #9, Fine Cut, Heavy Cut, etc. Also did you use a clay before you started buffing?? The purpose of the clay is to remove the contaminents in the clearcoat before polishing. I also noticed that you started applying the wax with the rag. The potential to reintroduce swirls by using that is unreal. You should have used a simple foam app. These are just some of my observations. I am not trying to bash you and am impressed with your results. However, I think that forum members should be made aware of some of the other ways to do things. Zdriver.com "Project 300ZX NA" AIM=Pats300zx BBCoach34: I fear the day Wagz posts pictures of himself naked !!!!!!!!
Follow Ups	Wetsanding, Buffing, Polishing: 101 - The things the 'pros' - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 21:21:33 05/29/03 Ahhh...sandpaper to my car... not something I wanna try.... - Jodecy 21:28:16 05/29/03 diddo... (n/m) - MrSex-Z 21:32:05 05/29/03 pretty much the same thing a clay bar does. (i think) (n/m) - genic 21:35:27 05/29/03 If only it were that easy. Clay bar is primarily used in the - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 21:37:08 05/29/03 hence why i said (i think) - genic 21:45:18 05/29/03 ummm are you left with no clearcoat after the sanding???? - MrSex-Z 21:28:16 05/29/03 its 2000 grit paper, you are losing like .00000001 inches (n/m) - Chickan_Z (OH) 21:29:56 05/29/03 ICQ if you can, >> - Deja_Vu 21:51:13 05/29/03 Great info! Thanks for posting! (n/m) - JC (Vegas) 21:33:54 05/29/03 Nice write up, thanks Ash. Now PB those moldings =) (n/m) - Zeus 21:37:45 05/29/03 Anyone that never did this before practice on something else - rdeatrick (PA) 21:38:09 05/29/03 I need a beater to test/practice on :) - blaZe(Dallas) 21:38:25 05/29/03 could this procedure get rid of swirrels too? (n/m) - ZLover4Life 21:43:54 05/29/03 Try an orbital buffer to get rid of swirls. (n/m) - rdeatrick (PA) 21:52:07 05/29/03 seems like overkill for swirrels - Marshall 21:52:54 05/29/03 yes, but you only need the buffing part - not the sanding - markpearl91tt 22:33:33 05/29/03 Questions about the Meguiers products - ImTheDevil 21:52:37 05/29/03 no, but i just learned you can use them with the buffer. - 2ch+ad2 22:57:36 05/29/03 The products that Ash is using are from the consumer line - Pats300zx 06:23:16 05/30/03 Thanks man, bookmarked :) (n/m) - ImTheDevil 09:09:43 05/30/03 Thanks for the info Ash (even tho I'm afraid to try it) :-) (n/m) - Zach@300zxTwinTurbo.com 21:57:30 05/29/03 Damn, you're a badass :-) - Bernowt (So. Fla) 22:05:13 05/29/03 looks really good! (n/m) - Wagz 22:21:56 05/29/03 That takes some balls to just start sanding off some clear - Chaaarmndr (NoVA) 22:25:16 05/29/03 1500 grit is recommended for cars with cured paint - markpearl91tt 22:26:40 05/29/03 SO i shouldt worry about cutting through the clear on a - Bobby12many 22:47:15 05/29/03 You *should* be fine - markpearl91tt 23:10:09 05/29/03 thanks for the advice bro. (n/m) - Bobby12many 23:24:23 05/29/03 Great write up! Very accurate...thanks for taking the time - SpinNgrin 22:36:06 05/29/03 I'm digging the lip :) Paint looks great! (n/m) - Kez43 22:37:15 05/29/03 very nice - Nadir(Detroit) 23:01:01 05/29/03 looks sweet! thanks for the info - Arkane 23:14:48 05/29/03 Cool, definately vote to faq. (n/m) - 1991S13 23:18:42 05/29/03 oh yes every car should be wet sanded after painting - dragonballz 23:32:41 05/29/03 Cool! I had quite a bit of experience with that... - Jackie 00:02:05 05/30/03 Awesome post Ash, one little thing you didn't mention though - ZEngineer 00:07:32 05/30/03 You are correct, paint is much thiner around the sharp edges - PLEAZURE in CA (SD) 01:15:26 05/30/03 Great info-now toothpic that wax outta the door handles:) (n/m) - BOOZTD 3 02:59:50 05/30/03 nice job! - HalfnHalf702[HJC] 04:03:29 05/30/03 yeah he is fabing the first heat resitant all Wood exhuast! (n/m) - dragonballz 08:03:58 05/30/03 lol, that's what I was thinking too... - spicyZ 08:47:54 05/30/03 Looks great- - Dave W 05:34:08 05/30/03 I have some major concerns>> - Pats300zx 05:55:42 05/30/03 I tend to agree with Pat... - Greg (Dallas) 08:06:38 05/30/03 Very True. - Eggman 09:42:33 05/30/03 I have question regarding the thickness of clear finish - Z-ster_au 07:00:09 05/30/03 You need a special instrument. - Greg (Dallas) 08:07:44 05/30/03 Thanks, I'll check it out (n/m) - Z-ster_au 21:38:36 05/30/03 Great write up. But... - pooldog 08:50:10 05/30/03 Do you have a job? Seems like you have so much freakin - kandy2dr 09:17:58 05/30/03 Sorry but "PROS", don't do what you just described... - GqRaCeRx 11:30:24 05/30/03
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