Subject	The problem with that is the more you fix the A/F, the
Posted by	AshsZ (FabZEM All) on May 15, 2003 at 3:52 PM
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In Reply To	I see your point. Then it would be fair to see posted by MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) on May 15, 2003 at 03:29 PM
Message	more you screwup the ignition timing. Since you are offsetting the MAS voltage to get the A/F correct and the system uses the MAS voltage to calculate what load you are running, when you screw with the MAS voltage you are making the ECU think a different load band is being used and then it starts jumping around in the timing map and the timing goes all nutty. [ ashleypowers.com ] [ agpowers@bellsouth.net ] [ Zemulator Information Sheet ] Enthusiasts soon understand each other. --W. Irving. Are you an enthusiast?
Follow Ups	DYNO Results - JWT Sport 600's, ZEMulator, JWT. - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 09:47:26 05/15/03 nice numbers....what Injectors and IC's were used - NR98 (Ohio) 09:53:33 05/15/03 555cc injectors, Greddy IC's. Injectors were at 92% duty - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 09:58:57 05/15/03 Hmmmm....we have made >540 Rwhp on 555cc and they---> - Kyle(Houston) 10:04:17 05/15/03 Well Done Ash, actions speak louder than words!!!! (n/m) - MarkH 11:41:25 05/15/03 Great numbers Ash! You like that RPS clutch? (n/m) - 1991TT 09:53:59 05/15/03 RPS clutches are underrated I suspect. That's ~600ft/lbs - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 12:26:29 05/15/03 I'm in the market for a clutch...having to decide between - 1991TT 12:30:39 05/15/03 I didn't think JWT was really an option anymore, LOL. - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 14:58:04 05/15/03 In fact, remember when my sport disc broke? Well, they - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 15:28:52 05/15/03 Same thing happened to me - PLEAZURE in CA (SD) 16:39:35 05/15/03 Your failure was different from mine. My failure was on - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 16:47:06 05/15/03 nice number - 96-2+2TT(RETIRED) 09:55:25 05/15/03 You're not really telling the whole story. - ni[X]it 09:59:33 05/15/03 I know - the ZEMulator is the 'unfair advantage'. Forget AFC - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 10:01:01 05/15/03 That cracker jack toy is far more stable then you are. - ni[X]it 10:04:07 05/15/03 Whatever Nick. (n/m) - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 10:08:12 05/15/03 My point is; Without adding a standard tool like an AFC, - ni[X]it 10:37:50 05/15/03 Its not a comparison. I wasn't trying to compare on - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 12:28:41 05/15/03 than why post the jwt dyno if you werent comparing? - Chris(NJ) 13:42:43 05/15/03 That's a good point. (n/m) - ZHOUND 13:47:05 05/15/03 Because I knew it would make you haters feel loved. - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 14:55:20 05/15/03 lol....far from being a hater dude. (n/m) - Chris(NJ) 14:59:50 05/15/03 HOWEVER, those are very clean power curves. - ni[X]it 10:43:01 05/15/03 exactly...2nd runs w/ the jwt arent tuned at all - Chris(NJ) 10:13:14 05/15/03 My thoughts exactly (n/m) - ImTheDevil 10:17:28 05/15/03 4th. But at least he posted the A/F. Even if not tuned. (n/m) - hoss 10:25:13 05/15/03 at least somebody gets the point of the post. (n/m) - John@Z1 13:13:14 05/15/03 thats what I was thinking... - Spee 10:50:09 05/15/03 He's is comparing ecu vs ecu. The afc is an additional - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 13:51:57 05/15/03 500 vs 700 not exactly close....and since you bring it up - Chris(NJ) 14:55:58 05/15/03 I see your point. Then it would be fair to see - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 15:29:45 05/15/03 The problem with that is the more you fix the A/F, the - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 15:52:54 05/15/03 And if you use a PowerFC and want to effectively tune it - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 15:50:53 05/15/03 we're not talkin power fc though. (n/m) - Chris(NJ) 19:20:59 05/15/03 We weren't, but we are now. >>> - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 20:00:13 05/15/03 i will, and i hope your right and it does. (n/m) - Chris(NJ) 20:33:41 05/15/03 Nice numbers....just goes to show what dyno tuning will---> - Kyle(Houston) 10:01:22 05/15/03 Thanks Kyle! - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 10:07:31 05/15/03 Yup, the easy availability of the JWT ECU has just... - Funky (NWZ) 10:32:51 05/15/03 Comfort breeds complacency. Never be satisfied. (n/m) - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 14:53:13 05/15/03 Kyle, when I finished with my buildup could you guys - Milo (San Antonio, TX.) 10:16:55 05/15/03 Sure...we will be offering dyno tuning on site soon..... (n/m) - Kyle(Houston) 14:54:28 05/15/03 I don't get it...JWT put down the same #s? (n/m) - hoss 10:07:33 05/15/03 They didn't even break 500RWHP, we were over it for 2KRPM+ - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 10:09:24 05/15/03 Ash - can you lower the price on your ECU or MORE - jawz 10:26:10 05/15/03 his ECU and the Zemulator are NOT the same thing. - Spee 10:51:59 05/15/03 The 492 is the JWT program (n/m) - EricTTZ 10:11:50 05/15/03 Gotcha. I didn't realize the old run was on there as well. (n/m) - hoss 10:14:07 05/15/03 forgetting the comparison as its not a fair one....question - Chris(NJ) 10:14:51 05/15/03 He won't tell you. He's competeing w/ Kyle :\ (n/m) - MugenRacer 10:56:15 05/15/03 that wont do much for his business and sure as hell wont - Chris(NJ) 10:59:06 05/15/03 Thankyou for your concise business consultation. (n/m) - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 12:23:25 05/15/03 He did that for free LOL :) (n/m) - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 12:51:22 05/15/03 anytime :) (n/m) - Chris(NJ) 13:33:10 05/15/03 I'm competing only with myself. You guys are just onlookers - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 11:58:22 05/15/03 Pretty much. (n/m) - MugenRacer 12:04:20 05/15/03 The base timing is 15 degrees, always. The timing actually - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 11:57:20 05/15/03 Nice tuning, ASH. Congrats! (n/m) - Milo (San Antonio, TX.) 10:19:42 05/15/03 If you want to compare it to Kojima's car. - ZHOUND 10:42:42 05/15/03 Since when do SP600's require a 5 bolt downpipe? (n/m) - aliaZ 10:48:14 05/15/03 I think these are his hybrid 600's with BB catridge and diff - MugenRacer 10:54:43 05/15/03 thats what I figured - aliaZ 11:02:31 05/15/03 Yep, but I'm not positive thats what it is, but I can't see - MugenRacer 11:06:34 05/15/03 I'd also expect less lag than that though. (n/m) - MugenRacer 11:11:23 05/15/03 yep - aliaZ 11:17:15 05/15/03 yeah, but he pulls engines during his lunch break (n/m) - aliaZ 11:12:08 05/15/03 No, he pulls it during his smoking break :) (n/m) - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 13:24:56 05/15/03 Woops. No, they aren't BB version. 4 bolt DP were used. (n/m) - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 11:54:05 05/15/03 well damn - aliaZ 12:51:16 05/15/03 Looks like it has the same spool up as my GT2535 - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 11:07:45 05/15/03 was this on your Z? (n/m) - aliaZ 11:18:28 05/15/03 I think it is Z1's red Convertible (n/m) - Tennyson (ATL) 11:33:24 05/15/03 ok...makes more sense now (n/m) - aliaZ 12:04:35 05/15/03 Yep it's the CA convertible (n/m) - John@Z1 13:21:30 05/15/03 Going to a party at West GA tonight BTW (n/m) - Tennyson (ATL) 13:30:20 05/15/03 Really, where? (n/m) - John@Z1 15:09:46 05/15/03 Its in your mouth, everyone is coming. (n/m) - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 15:29:48 05/15/03 O you're talking about that party on you're wife. Yeah it - John@Z1 16:20:44 05/15/03 I want to know two things, type of fuel and total timing - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 11:18:52 05/15/03 JWT's dual-pop has issues. >>> - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 11:59:28 05/15/03 Any idea when yours will be ready? - aliaZ 12:03:20 05/15/03 Next week. I'll also have dyno results with and without it. - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 12:21:41 05/15/03 very nice. looking forward to it (n/m) - aliaZ 12:48:57 05/15/03 How did you measure 33 degrees of total timing? - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 12:12:53 05/15/03 By the timing map in the ECU. The ZEM displays what the - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 12:20:34 05/15/03 Your post below says that the timing stayed the same - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 12:32:52 05/15/03 He's referring to base timing at 15 degrees - spicyZ 13:00:43 05/15/03 I know base timing is constant 15 degrees . He said - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 13:10:11 05/15/03 When you are reading 16deg at WOT, that is in addition to... - Funky (NWZ) 15:00:53 05/15/03 Nope. Let me explain further >>> - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 15:05:40 05/15/03 Ahh, that makes sense... - Funky (NWZ) 15:16:32 05/15/03 The ZEMulator ties me directly into the timing map >> - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 14:50:29 05/15/03 Ash can you eloborate on the this total timing part - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 13:18:13 05/15/03 If you really wanted to, you could make the timing as high - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 14:49:19 05/15/03 Ash I know you are not touching the CAS and adjusting - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 15:06:07 05/15/03 Yes, you are correct. In the timing map for that car, - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 15:16:41 05/15/03 Ashe, You didn't answer my question regarding the - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 15:58:08 05/15/03 is this with stock unported manifolds and heads? (n/m) - aliaZ 12:53:42 05/15/03 Ash, for once I really need to hand it to you. Nice work. (n/m) - KILLR300ZX 13:33:16 05/15/03 Thanks bro! I had a great time up to about the 10th hour >>> - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 15:00:48 05/15/03
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