Subject	All I can say is "physics".
Posted by	Marshall on March 20, 2003 at 3:52 PM
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In Reply To	All I can say is Apples to Bicycles. posted by niXit on March 20, 2003 at 03:36 PM
Message	I know you're a smart guy, Nixit. I think if I showed you the right equations it would become clear to you that it is not possible to use water as fuel. Specifically the second law of thermodynamics prohibits this. You will always lose efficiency, you will never have more than 100% efficiency. The power, combined with the inherent loss of officiency to break down water will outweigh the power gains made by burning the resultant hydrogen and oxygen. This is a losing proposition, and the loss begins with the very first molecule of water that you try to break down. It doesn't matter whether you just break down 1 molecule of water, a gallon, an ocean, whatever. It also doesn't matter if you do it along side the cumbustion of gasoline. The simple fact remains that you cannot gain any power by breaking down and burning water, it will always lead to a loss in any system.
Follow Ups	For those of you complaining about gas prices - s3trios 09:46:50 03/20/03 I have to respond... - niXit 09:55:29 03/20/03 Yea I agree - s3trios 09:59:13 03/20/03 Don't be surprised!! - Todd@Z1 Motorsports 13:03:52 03/20/03 Re: Don't be surprised!! - Marshall 14:34:09 03/20/03 not using water as a primary fuel. Apples to Bicycles. (n/m) - niXit 15:35:43 03/20/03 not a primary fuel, not a secondary fuel, not a fuel at all. (n/m) - Marshall 16:17:56 03/20/03 this application is certainly *not* against laws of physics! - Technomancer 16:32:38 03/20/03 could you please elaborate? - Marshall 16:42:57 03/20/03 my responses are at the bottom of this thread (n/m) - Technomancer 18:27:40 03/20/03 Or most that confine themselves to the proposition>> - Todd@Z1 Motorsports 17:19:34 03/20/03 I don't follow that line of thought. - Marshall 17:32:00 03/20/03 day off huh? (n/m) - Todd@Z1 Motorsports 11:00:06 03/20/03 if you were only 1/3rd as cool as you me, you'd be... - niXit 11:05:19 03/20/03 I have a dream. (n/m) - Todd@Z1 Motorsports 11:30:27 03/20/03 I have one too - READ THIS!!! :) - Scotts94z32 14:25:47 03/20/03 You had that day off while Nick worked huh?? - Todd@Z1 Motorsports 17:30:08 03/20/03 Hey Nixit - Marshall 14:07:51 03/20/03 That won't work, it's a gimmick. - Marshall 10:51:38 03/20/03 is there a difference when the alternator is charging? - niXit 10:55:56 03/20/03 Yes there is - Marshall 11:17:21 03/20/03 ps, there is PLENTY more info that supports it works SOME. - niXit 11:10:36 03/20/03 no, you'd lose some energy. It's an energy CONSUMING process - Marshall 11:29:04 03/20/03 LOL. You didn't actually READ the whole thing did you? (n/m) - ScubaSteve 11:13:27 03/20/03 Yes I did, why? (n/m) - Marshall 11:30:33 03/20/03 Do you have any friends? What's with the name calling - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 14:08:55 03/20/03 Please do not attempt to derail this thread. - Marshall 14:30:27 03/20/03 quit your name calling and personal judgement remarks (n/m) - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 15:08:46 03/20/03 All I can say is Apples to Bicycles. - niXit 15:36:26 03/20/03 All I can say is "physics". - Marshall 15:52:00 03/20/03 please see my comments at the bottom of this thread (n/m) - Technomancer 18:19:55 03/20/03 By the way - Marshall 15:18:13 03/20/03 " This guy seems like yet another clueless nut that " - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 15:11:03 03/20/03 Well yes, that's true. - Marshall 15:20:07 03/20/03 Apple to Bicycles, read the webpage, thanks. - niXit 15:35:13 03/20/03 Read some basic physics books, thanks. - Marshall 15:43:46 03/20/03 I do know that Honda has produced the FCX, and LA has some - TtrboStarZ 11:16:02 03/20/03 The real solution is to buy a beater, like a Honda CRX HX >> - KaZ (jTTfz) VaBch 11:26:55 03/20/03 I had an HX w/ 40+mpg, the sticker 'claimed' 52mpg (n/m) - Janders 13:21:54 03/20/03 The wife's turbo diesel bug gets 46mpg average... - LordZ 14:21:20 03/20/03 I'll try to explain this in simple terms with cheesy pics - Marshall 12:35:21 03/20/03 lol, loved the pics! (n/m) - LordZ 14:23:05 03/20/03 Ahh, I think I can put this to rest. - Marshall 14:28:50 03/20/03 You're Comparing Apples to Bicycles. try again. - niXit 15:33:31 03/20/03 not mph, MPG, sorry. 5-15. documented. (n/m) - niXit 15:40:07 03/20/03 You're failing to see the concepts at work here. - Marshall 15:40:44 03/20/03 using electricity. not gas, not water. - niXit 15:47:07 03/20/03 "electricity is basically free"- This is wrong. Its NOT free - Marshall 15:59:13 03/20/03 And you're also wrong about the reason the rpms drop. - Marshall 16:10:40 03/20/03 you are mistaken - Technomancer 16:35:53 03/20/03 I don't think so... - Marshall 16:47:05 03/20/03 OK here - Technomancer 18:18:41 03/20/03 I do not buy their reasoning. - Marshall 20:49:38 03/20/03 sigh. thanks for the post. more for marshall>> - niXit 08:10:51 03/21/03 Hmmm - Marshall 12:55:34 03/21/03
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