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I have heard some say 17, and is the NA DT loss diffrent from the TT? RWHP is the only way to go, screw this FWHP.
"Speed cost money. How fast can you afford to go". -Dragonballz "Free your mind, like water. You put water in a cup it becomes the cup, you put it into a tea pot it becomes the tea pot, you put it in a bottle, it becomes the bottle. Water can flow, or it can crash, be water my friend." -The great Bruce Lee. 
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