was all white with oil ash and the shaft was out of spec (wobbly). The driver turbo was in good shape though. I'm not sure what my upgrade will be, but I am shooting for ~600rwhp with whatever i decide on and they must be BB turbos - these downpipes flow so freely that a bushing'd turbo wont last long at all. For rebuilds, and by my own hand at that, these stock turbos have performed their job well. :) Not a bad deal for $200/pr + $150 for the rebuild kits.. They certainly lasted longer than i expected them to.