Subject	My opinion of B&B has takena nosedive recently
Posted by	stupidfast [ ///M Power ] on December 10, 2002 at 9:17 PM
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In Reply To	Hiper VS. B & B........Controversy settled posted by J-Z91(OH) on December 10, 2002 at 05:12 PM
Message	I have had Greddy PE and B&B on my Z, I've had HKS, Brullen, AA, and other brands on various other cars. As far as the Z, the B&B looks fantastic, and sounds great. Maybe I'm just getting old(er), but the B&B is just too damn loud over time. And it's hard to justify the price vis-a-vis hp gains. Very rarely can anyone do back-to-back dynos in the real world, but 10hp is a HUGE difference for relatively similar conditions. FWIW, the B&B also produced, by far, the lowesr gains of any aftermarket cat-back for the M3. At this point, I wouldn't be willing to swallow the price difference simply for looks, and a headache. The Hiper does look like ass tho. Subjectively. "Keep the shiny side up!" A memorial of sorts. Please visit Where do terrorists get their money? If you buy drugs, some of it might come from you. So says the State Dept ...and the DEA And a bit more
Follow Ups	Hiper VS. B & B........Controversy settled - J-Z91(OH) 17:12:54 12/10/02 it comes down to personal visual preference. (n/m) - niXit 17:14:04 12/10/02 ....and 10RWHP apparently :P (n/m) - Furious(Houston) 17:16:02 12/10/02 ....and money. (n/m) - ZHOUND 19:14:00 12/10/02 exactly, niXit (n/m) - cant_z_me(OH) 17:40:43 12/10/02 Yah most def - chaaarmndr 17:16:57 12/10/02 I have an HKS Turbo exhaust, which is fine for me, but.. - Zeus 17:25:32 12/10/02 Holy crap! That much?! Was that the 2.5" or the 3" B&B? (n/m) - John(Houston) 17:26:08 12/10/02 Thats what I was wondering too... (n/m) - TARGETZ 17:35:27 12/10/02 It was the 2.5" B & B but I really don't think 3" would have - J-Z91(OH) 17:59:48 12/10/02 Edit above: 1.5 liter, not "cylinder" (n/m) - J-Z91(OH) 18:01:48 12/10/02 Actually ... most high hp Supra's have 3.5in exhaust - DamonH 90TT 18:16:04 12/10/02 fwiw, 6cyl single exh -vs- 6cyl dual exh = not the same. (n/m) - niXit 18:26:33 12/10/02 Thanks. :p I was just correcting his statement. (n/m) - DamonH 90TT 20:43:47 12/10/02 Re: That's not dual exhaust, thats a single exhaust set-up.> - GqRaCeRx 18:56:25 12/10/02 Thanks for explaining that to me. ;) - DamonH 90TT 20:46:13 12/10/02 but then it isnt a fair comparison then is it. - TARGETZ 18:19:01 12/10/02 Nope. 65mm or 2.55". Pretty much the same. (n/m) - John(Houston) 00:31:08 12/11/02 it is with a turbo.. (n/m) - bfastrblast 20:25:34 12/10/02 Not surprised really (n/m) - U ZCREAM (Vice City) 17:28:59 12/10/02 I'll take my B&B for the street and make a ghettofabulous >> - Spooled 17:30:27 12/10/02 Hell, I run that setup on the street! :) (n/m) - Arthur 17:53:11 12/10/02 think next time you say "get b&B" - cant_z_me(OH) 17:35:49 12/10/02 Sie when was Hiper all stainless? My B&B will out flow it - Chip(GinnMotorsports) 17:47:38 12/10/02 Sie=since (n/m) - Chip(GinnMotorsports) 17:51:33 12/10/02 I think it's so funny that people get bent about "Get B&B" - sbsTT(MD) 17:49:41 12/10/02 Shut yer trap Spee (n/m) - U ZCREAM (Vice City) 18:05:43 12/10/02 You failed research 101 again, from HKSUSA.com - Chip(GinnMotorsports) 17:50:50 12/10/02 bingo (n/m) - sbsTT(MD) 17:53:27 12/10/02 ha...can't you two read? - cant_z_me(OH) 18:00:35 12/10/02 His point, goobersmack, is that HKS is NOT all stainless. (n/m) - ChristopherTheOne 18:06:04 12/10/02 "stainless steel muffler and piping" - cant_z_me(OH) 18:08:18 12/10/02 ...designed.." I read just fine, you? (n/m) - SactoTodd 18:12:17 12/10/02 It's obviously a typo on their behalf - U ZCREAM (Vice City) 18:35:26 12/10/02 umm, thats a little too much info. - sbsTT(MD) 19:42:32 12/10/02 "stainless steel muffler" you idiot "piping designed - Chip(GinnMotorsports) 18:06:11 12/10/02 2nd (n/m) - Zboost 18:11:54 12/10/02 agreed (n/m) - aliaZ 21:39:57 12/10/02 Your a moron... (n/m) - AndrewZ 21:52:54 12/10/02 wrong...... http://hksusa.com/products/?id=715 (n/m) - cant_z_me(OH) 17:54:57 12/10/02 call HKS and ask. - Chip(GinnMotorsports) 18:08:33 12/10/02 You seem to have a little insecurity about the issue. - DamonH 90TT 17:52:35 12/10/02 my point exactly (n/m) - cant_z_me(OH) 17:55:30 12/10/02 Iolusive to me..... - Some Dude (Ghetto Z) 17:37:18 12/10/02 Beat me by 2 seconds :P (n/m) - SeedyROM 17:37:48 12/10/02 damn and you beat me by 2 minutes cause I got distracted.;) (n/m) - DamonH 90TT 17:41:29 12/10/02 woohoo! :p (n/m) - Some Dude (Ghetto Z) 17:43:56 12/10/02 err....Inconclusive (n/m) - Some Dude (Ghetto Z) 17:38:07 12/10/02 TO ALL DOUBTERS: the weather in Ohio in the winter is - J-Z91(OH) 17:55:21 12/10/02 While you're probably right, there's more to it than weather - SeedyROM 18:02:21 12/10/02 yeah Seedy, you are correct, there's more than just - J-Z91(OH) 18:07:20 12/10/02 np. (n/m) - SeedyROM 18:09:19 12/10/02 I don't doubt your verdict. (n/m) - Some Dude (Ghetto Z) 18:14:28 12/10/02 I'm sorry but unless dynod back to back it means little 2 me - SeedyROM 17:37:20 12/10/02 only 4 days difference (n/m) - cant_z_me(OH) 17:38:45 12/10/02 I meant do it on the same day. Conditions change =) - SeedyROM 17:41:24 12/10/02 Totally agree! - Arthur 18:08:15 12/10/02 2nd (n/m) - Woody75 (Denver) 18:53:53 12/10/02 Even with a 5hp differee, I'll keep my B&B. - Dallas DamonZ 18:50:02 12/10/02 bravo *golf clap* (n/m) - sbsTT(MD) 20:11:31 12/10/02 very scientific of you - sebring1970 20:03:46 12/10/02 Well duh, that should go without saying. Read my PROFILE - SeedyROM 20:10:04 12/10/02 not my point - sebring1970 20:27:28 12/10/02 Oh...well the slashes (/) were to differentiate between the - SeedyROM 20:47:00 12/10/02 agreed... plus was that just 1 run each or an avg. of at lea - Bernie 20:43:58 12/10/02 Saturday Temp was a high of 56, Today temp was high of 45. - DamonH 90TT 17:39:51 12/10/02 How does the greddy SP, match up? Since its the best looking (n/m) - Cooltrickz32 17:41:31 12/10/02 Powered by Midas, It will rule all. (n/m) - Miles(SanAntonio,TX) 17:41:35 12/10/02 Posting = Bad ;-(, Polishing = Good ;-) - RegalZ 19:08:11 12/10/02 so all conditions were identical 4 days apart? Great! - sbsTT(MD) 17:43:57 12/10/02 we thank you for your useless remarks..have a nice day :) - cant_z_me(OH) 17:49:43 12/10/02 you really should know what you are talking about... - sbsTT(MD) 18:00:38 12/10/02 liar (n/m) - cant_z_me(OH) 18:01:37 12/10/02 *sigh* - sbsTT(MD) 18:25:45 12/10/02 oh my f@#$ing ass, who cares, get whatever exhaust you like - Red ZX (SoCal) 18:10:30 12/10/02 This is so funny. - sbsTT(MD) 18:27:40 12/10/02 See my post above.......weather the same......... - J-Z91(OH) 18:11:52 12/10/02 Did the ECU have enough time to learn?? (n/m) - SactoTodd 17:47:01 12/10/02 your ecu will relearn evy'thing after a few nice hard runs. (n/m) - cant_z_me(OH) 17:52:07 12/10/02 HKS=Best bang for price. So is a Camaro...but I own a Z. - SeedyROM 18:07:48 12/10/02 well said Seedy.... (n/m) - Red ZX (SoCal) 18:11:46 12/10/02 thank you, seedy... :) (n/m) - cant_z_me(OH) 18:12:06 12/10/02 Seedy= Voice of Reason (n/m) - J-Z91(OH) 18:13:16 12/10/02 agreed. (n/m) - Zeus 18:13:16 12/10/02 Controversy settled.... or is it? - niXit 18:13:01 12/10/02 Thanks, Nixit, appreciate the acknowledgement of my - J-Z91(OH) 18:19:38 12/10/02 Sadly, this thread has gotten WAY out of hand. (n/m) - niXit 18:27:18 12/10/02 well.... - (SHOWTIME!) 19:26:56 12/10/02 you are 100% correct. - niXit 19:41:06 12/10/02 That makes see, the most restrictive part is the piping - Chip(GinnMotorsports) 18:21:35 12/10/02 I'm not sure, I'm not debating if it's stainless or not, - J-Z91(OH) 18:25:37 12/10/02 Thanks again, - Chip(GinnMotorsports) 18:51:40 12/10/02 gotta love the ignorant. (n/m) - ForceFedIndustries 21:14:15 12/10/02 I'm really starting to like it more and more. Hiper that is. - JustinZTT-ATL 18:51:05 12/10/02 good grief! - (SHOWTIME!) 19:18:59 12/10/02 you're totally right dude. - sbsTT(MD) 19:59:37 12/10/02 Apology: I din't mean to come across as negative.... - Some Dude (Ghetto Z) 19:50:07 12/10/02 This is stupid...that's STILL not a controlled test and the - Only1Z 19:59:09 12/10/02 P.S. Looks alone put the B&B on top too...there is no - Only1Z 20:01:07 12/10/02 got AIM? - sbsTT(MD) 20:10:15 12/10/02 Yep! Check my e-mail address in my profile. :-) (n/m) - Only1Z 20:50:12 12/10/02 Oh what a surprise coming from a B & B owner. Listen, - J-Z91(OH) 21:17:19 12/10/02 You have not proved anything about conditions... - Only1Z 21:53:41 12/10/02 CORRECTION FACTOR, ever heard of that??? (n/m) - J-Z91(OH) 00:09:43 12/11/02 That's an atmospheric correction. :-) - Only1Z 22:17:37 12/11/02 I dont think one person's Dyno can say that. - ZBlacktt 20:01:47 12/10/02 well doesn't make sense, you admit you changed your - J-Z91(OH) 21:23:23 12/10/02 Oh, I'm defending crap... I wouldn't pay that,,,lol. (n/m) - ZBlacktt 21:54:25 12/10/02 just go back to your inflated dyno and test the B & B - J-Z91(OH) 00:13:14 12/11/02 Your personality sucks man........ lighten up :/ - ZBlacktt 01:11:15 12/11/02 Damn typo-O's....... :( (n/m) - ZBlacktt 01:20:48 12/11/02 sorry didn't mean to come off that way, just - J-Z91(OH) 08:34:28 12/11/02 The only people that talk crap about B&B are not B&B owners - Only1Z 22:38:38 12/10/02 Yeah I guess you need a degree in physics to dyno - J-Z91(OH) 00:12:04 12/11/02 They were 4 days apart in a non-controlled environment (n/m) - Only1Z 18:25:34 12/11/02 hks...hks...hks...hks... - Atti2de 20:10:48 12/10/02 STFU biatch! - sbsTT(MD) 20:16:14 12/10/02 BAH. Get Folgers.... (n/m) - 2 Zweet 20:32:49 12/10/02 My opinion of B&B has takena nosedive recently - stupidfast [ ///M Power ] 21:17:27 12/10/02 I figured that would be the case - aliaZ 21:32:06 12/10/02 Are Konig Villains better than HRE's because they R lighter? (n/m) - TTony 22:46:44 12/10/02 No, they're just uglier, cheaper and made for morons - Jack B. 23:10:19 12/10/02 Ever make it back to the track? :) (n/m) - ZBlacktt 01:19:09 12/11/02 I doubt it. There's an all you can eat buffet on the way. (n/m) - TTony 09:13:23 12/11/02 roflmao! (n/m) - Arturo C. 10:24:07 12/11/02 Pretty sure that HREs are lighter. :) (n/m) - John(Houston) 01:31:20 12/11/02 Very wrong. (n/m) - TTony 09:10:57 12/11/02 Nope. - John(Houston) 09:53:19 12/11/02 Grrrr.... at least they look better. :-) (n/m) - TTony 19:01:41 12/11/02 get hyper! (n/m) - robbase9 22:52:26 12/10/02 No, HKS doesn't cost enough to make more power - Janders 22:54:55 12/10/02 simple: straight through, here's WHY ppl hate hipper>> - GT300 23:25:48 12/10/02 Huh? People have opinions, not segregating ,, lol. (n/m) - ZBlacktt 01:17:37 12/11/02 WTF? (n/m) - sbsTT(MD) 01:29:14 12/11/02 LOL! Hiper is hipper? (n/m) - John(Houston) 01:30:18 12/11/02 i chose the hipers cuz they are---->> - Bj(CA) 05:26:12 12/11/02 What side are you arguing? (n/m) - Janders 16:19:44 12/11/02 Get Borla (n/m) - 300ZXttAuto 00:38:49 12/11/02 I run the Hipers. - John(Houston) 00:55:05 12/11/02 Thanks for the info Joe - EricTTZ 08:34:40 12/11/02 Yeah. - ZHOUND 15:54:19 12/11/02
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