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...if you are going to document temps like you say, then you need to document before and after for it to mean anything. If you can't, you need to at least document the conditions in which you test. I think that kind of info would be most useful. This will shed some meaningful light on the issue. Coupla points: - My oil temp issues were experienced in a road race type environment, at speeds of 150ish mph, for long periods of time. At that speed you could take the fan completely off and it wouldn't matter. I believe that you are correct that a road car in traffic needs a clutch fan. I don't need one, what with the lack of AC and huge radiator. I have never seen water temps over 210, and that was at the 150mph conditions. Oil temps are the problem, with mine, I now believe, running 250++ in race conditions. - I had previously stated that folks looking to drag race might be OK with the front mount. I worry about those folks who want to drive in traffic with the AC on. To be fair, if you measure the temps, you need to get the car up to full temp, and then go drive around in stop and go traffic for about a half hour in 90 degree weather. Maybe even show it some boost in between to really exploit any weaknesses. After all, what good is a front mount in traffic if you can't boost for fear of overheating? I am not interested in being right, but only in helping provide the whole story. How do you know that Supras with huge front mounts don't overheat? To say categorically that they don't is like saying that they don't ever break - which is contrary to what I saw this weekend at the strip. The discussion around here usually leans toward bigger is better, without much discussion of the pitfalls or possible problems. Like I said, I'm providing the counterbalance on this issue. If you get the temp data as you have said, I think you will have done the forum a good service, and if you prove me wrong, great. That way the real info exists, and I won't blabber about this anymore. RSR
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