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: Since there is alot of talk of them I figured i report. : First of all they do not raise your rear end I personally I don't see how they could. I checked before and after if there was a chance it was minimal and my two finger of gap test didn't change. : Secondly They do firm of up the rear end at first I didn't think there was a difference but upon further driving on some lumpy roads I had more rebound to deal with, since I have adjustable shocks i am clicking down my shocks one setting. : Third these things did help quite a bit. I had tried to spin my wheels on slightly wet ground before them and I got spin, skip, skip and I let off. After having them installed I got spin, spin, slight skip,spin,spin, slight skip, spin and then i saw the cloud of white smoke and let off. Thus they didn't completly remove my skip but it took my skip rating on a scale of 1 to 100 from say about 50 to 10. I would say my shocks, springs, and swaybars did the other 50 points. : Forth were pretty easy to install especially if you put the car on a lift and use a tall jack to hold the subframe. IE pay a shop $20 to install them. : So bottom line is that they are very nice traction mod for $80 bucks and I feel much more confident on my offline the traction and make me wonder if the $1200 subframe upgrade really worth while. I recommend to everyone try this mod first then move to the next step if are not completly happy. : Greg Dupree is also very pleasant person to work with and glad to have him be part of the Z community. I only thing recommend that he start accepting credit cards or paypal for those who need something right away :-) :
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