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for some it's easy to lunch for other's it;s not. go to the damn web site i told u to. there was a guy bitching about how come he could only get 15.5 in 1/4 in his VR4. my co worker got 14.7 best with an intake and i think a bleeder valve boost comtroller. some other can get low 14's but not MANY that are stock. and usually a bpu 3si is mid/high 13's to low 14s. sl's are mid 15's to 16's. i wont even go in to the SOHC. but i say go test drive a few, and hang out on there forum and learn all u can b4 u jump in. personal for 23k i would rather get a mk4.(god a can't believe i just said that.)
 even the socalled "31337" have bad days... night...whatever...DOH!!!
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