Subject	I have been Emailing with Patrick/Stanky to get more info
Posted by	Kyle(Houston) on August 10, 2017 at 10:53 AM
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In Reply To	"The nut was found in the pan broken in half." posted by ZXoltan on August 10, 2017 at 10:33 AM
Message	I asked for more pictures to get to the bottom of what happened vs the people on the forums that love to point fingers. Half a rod nut was retrieved from the oil pan upon further inspection. Patrick can post the picture if he so chooses. One thing to note is that the rod bolt without the nut on it was completely out of the rod and in the pan. Lazy Link So it is not like the rod bolt was still in the rod with the nut missing. LOTS of things happened during the implosion. Here is a post that a lot of people may have missed also. Looks like this is not just one isolated incident. Lazy Link I don't think I built his motor or Nick's motor and I certainly didn't build Ash's motor. I now think that the stock rods just are not cut out of the increased boost and torque levels that people are seeing on E85. Kyle "Grumpy Bear" Puckett Import Parts Pro Phone: 281-288-0700 AIM: KyleatIPP Yahoo: KyleatIPP
Follow Ups	Engine carnage part 3..the final verdict? - Stanky (BC) 23:17:15 08/08/17 I'm no expert but my guess would be the #2 nut came - ZXRider 23:49:29 08/08/17 Very curious #2 nut is missing if it didn't come loose (n/m) - ctheobal 15:26:43 08/09/17 I don't think this had anything to do with E85 or your power - ZaXxon 06:43:28 08/09/17 But what would cause a nut to come loose so quickly? - ZXoltan 07:07:50 08/09/17 This would be my thought as well. (n/m) - MixManMash 10:53:01 08/09/17 agreed (n/m) - ConVerTT 18:53:26 08/09/17 Negative - Kyle(Houston) 19:33:59 08/09/17 agreed (n/m) - ztunerz 21:59:32 08/09/17 Fair points (n/m) - ConVerTT 19:42:41 08/10/17 Definitely. (n/m) - MixManMash 20:27:33 08/10/17 Explain how a loose nut on #2 contributed to rod #1 breakage - Placuch 09:40:15 08/09/17 Easy. Rod #2s chunks went flying, jammed something up in - MixManMash 10:09:31 08/09/17 I'd like to hear an audio recording of this failure. (n/m) - not4resaleZ 10:53:42 08/09/17 U want Stank to have PTSD? lol (n/m) - ZXoltan 12:02:43 08/09/17 I already have grey hair from this car - Stanky (BC) 14:18:02 08/09/17 At least you have hair... (n/m) - MixManMash 18:16:03 08/09/17 Lol! Give me 5 more years with this Z and we'll revisit that (n/m) - Stanky (BC) 00:50:59 08/10/17 Don't stress over it. Nothing money can't fix. lol (n/m) - dfenton2 10:05:43 08/10/17 These cars now qualify as hybrids - ZXoltan 12:34:03 08/10/17 Lol. A dashcam would have been neat. - MixManMash 13:20:02 08/09/17 Noises I wish upon no one.. - Stanky (BC) 20:19:53 08/09/17 Also, does #2 rod bearing look like it spun? - Placuch 09:47:29 08/09/17 I have seen a sprint car engine jettison a rod nut - LitlElvis 18:48:20 08/09/17 Re: I have seen a sprint car engine jettison a rod nut - Placuch 09:20:33 08/10/17 Re: Re: I have seen a sprint car engine jettison a rod nut - Bad Fish 09:42:03 08/10/17 Sorry bud, your expectations of weekend roundy round racers - LitlElvis 12:29:55 08/11/17 So is the only hole in the cylinder walls that one in - not4resaleZ 11:09:28 08/09/17 Very concerning. I was going to have IPP rebuild mine. (n/m) - ctheobal 15:17:42 08/09/17 I'd rethink that. My IPP Stage 1 leaked everywhere from - Gold Z 17:10:04 08/09/17 Odd.... - Kyle(Houston) 17:26:12 08/09/17 It did show up within the first year but I tried to - Gold Z 08:52:54 08/10/17 Wait...what? - Kyle(Houston) 09:14:31 08/10/17 Freeze plugs leaked immediately. Builder had to tear down - Gold Z 12:19:22 08/10/17 now we are getting down to it...thanks - Kyle(Houston) 13:27:31 08/10/17 You are nutz, we never had any discussion period. I - Gold Z 14:03:04 08/10/17 So your own emails and words are lies? - Kyle(Houston) 14:29:19 08/10/17 But then I'd have to post the link from Mark at SGP that - Gold Z 15:16:36 08/10/17 You mean this one? - Kyle(Houston) 15:32:31 08/10/17 Nope, this one >>>> - Gold Z 16:24:10 08/10/17 LOL...believe what you want to believe - Kyle(Houston) 16:46:21 08/10/17 I know what to believe after being told of more of your - Gold Z 17:13:09 08/10/17 I think I have proved my point. I am done.... (n/m) - Kyle(Houston) 17:16:00 08/10/17 I can produce links for days if you want - Kyle(Houston) 17:02:50 08/10/17 I have dealt with Mark at SGP and Kyle before and after - The Devils Z 12:05:40 08/12/17 Same good experience with my IPP built longblock here... - BoneZ (MD) 01:31:14 08/14/17 never go full retard (n/m) - LJZTT 17:53:19 08/10/17 Sorry I am late to the party. Have not checked site lately - Kyle(Houston) 16:43:08 08/09/17 Hey Kyle, this engine was running on E85, so I - MixManMash 18:21:02 08/09/17 E85 is still prone to detonation. It is not detonation free - Kyle(Houston) 19:46:41 08/09/17 Cool. Thanks for that information. (n/m) - MixManMash 20:19:18 08/09/17 There are many ways for E85 to knock. >>> - ztunerz 22:02:18 08/09/17 Ok but what happened to the #2 rod bolt nut? It's missing - ctheobal 23:32:23 08/09/17 A Lot of things happen when a motor implodes - Kyle(Houston) 09:03:20 08/10/17 "The nut was found in the pan broken in half." - ZXoltan 10:33:34 08/10/17 I have been Emailing with Patrick/Stanky to get more info - Kyle(Houston) 10:53:08 08/10/17 Re: I have been Emailing with Patrick/Stanky to get more info - Dsouthz32 15:02:19 08/10/17 A little more info for those who care. - michaell32 (FL) 17:16:53 08/10/17 I appreciate your follow up. Thanks - Kyle(Houston) 17:22:35 08/10/17 How much timing did you use? When it was tuned, did - not4resaleZ 17:25:25 08/10/17 It was tuned by harry so he can answer the timing question. - michaell32 (FL) 17:35:52 08/10/17 You can probably bend rods on an NA if you turn the - not4resaleZ 10:14:12 08/11/17 upon further investigation I found this.. - Stanky (BC) 14:27:10 08/10/17 holy big pictures - Stanky (BC) 14:28:56 08/10/17 Thank you, sir. (n/m) - Kyle(Houston) 14:42:59 08/10/17 How about this: As the crank rotated - not4resaleZ 16:29:04 08/10/17 Very possible - Kyle(Houston) 16:47:42 08/10/17 Kyle do you think a faulty nut that started this? (n/m) - ctheobal 22:01:25 08/11/17 No...I think it started with a bent rod and progressed - Kyle(Houston) 09:54:26 08/13/17 Agreed. With only 15k miles I wondered that as well (n/m) - ctheobal 10:52:32 08/10/17 If it was Det.. - Cjw3 07:16:44 08/11/17 It was running on Haltech, which should have picked up - MixManMash 08:06:42 08/11/17 Then the real q is, why didn't it pick it up? - The Hawk 08:49:29 08/11/17 Engine was 4 years old. I installed the haltech last fall - Stanky (BC) 09:12:04 08/11/17 Then would 6 EGT's have seen it? (n/m) - Cjw3 11:04:32 08/11/17 Damage may have been done prior to Haltech. - MixManMash 23:01:24 08/11/17 so what is the torque limit on stock rods ? (n/m) - The Devils Z 12:20:49 08/12/17
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