Subject	All cars are designed to understeer from the factory
Posted by	BlackholeZ on December 13, 2016 at 8:46 PM
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In Reply To	+1, back off on the throttle and it pulls back in reasonably posted by Tanley (ATL) on December 13, 2016 at 12:59 PM
Message	for an average driver, understeer is easier to control or recover from. So they design for this. Stiffening up the rear end a little (like with a sway bar) will balance this out and make the car handle much more neutrally. -Dan VTC Solenoid Caps and install instructions. "Capitalization is the difference between helping your Uncle Jack off a horse, and helping your uncle jack off a horse." "'she' also likes to swap since I think I am going to need to give her to woody again." - Dvlhntr "full alphabetic boost mode" - ChristopherTheOne " Purrs like a sexually satisfied black panther." - BigTDogg "Two oil eating, angry, spinning triangles of death." - turtleboy on rotary engines
Follow Ups	Why are z cars so prone to spinning out of control??? - jgbatlantaZ 23:45:58 12/12/16 They're honestly not that bad - BlackholeZ 01:37:49 12/13/16 Re: They're honestly not that bad - jgbatlantaZ 14:50:46 12/13/16 what tires were you running? (n/m) - vorpalZ 14:55:28 12/13/16 Re: what tires were you running? - jgbatlantaZ 15:15:48 12/13/16 I like Michelin Pilot Supersports - vorpalZ 15:23:21 12/13/16 I've run through a set of both PSS and RE71 - hunterg 16:00:59 12/13/16 How'd the RE71 do at the track? - BlackholeZ 20:37:54 12/13/16 They were great. I've actually used several sets of RE71s - hunterg 22:54:00 12/13/16 It's important to understand that any tire will overheat - hunterg 23:05:26 12/13/16 I've actually been thinking of getting some of the Izze - BlackholeZ 00:56:36 12/14/16 Stick with the guys at GTE for tire info, great group - shawnc 16:58:49 12/13/16 My z used to be scary when it would break loose until I put - hunterg 15:55:58 12/13/16 Re: My z used to be scary when it would break loose until I put - ThisIsSparTTa 10:42:40 12/14/16 I can feel my LSD giving up. I have a Quaife on the shelf.. (n/m) - MixManMash 13:43:37 12/14/16 Can you provide more info on the Nismo unit you are using - not4resaleZ 17:10:01 12/14/16 You let off completely, that was your mistake. - BlackholeZ 20:35:53 12/13/16 Uh oh, this is bad info BlackHoleZ - hunterg 22:51:13 12/13/16 We may be saying the same thing - BlackholeZ 01:02:38 12/14/16 get rid of hicas -- hard to counter steer with it ... (n/m) - The Devils Z 13:47:34 12/15/16 well if you "graduated from racing school" and "know how to - LJZTT 07:54:43 12/13/16 Er, no they're not - vorpalZ 08:04:41 12/13/16 M3 can be tail happy too? - LJZTT 12:42:34 12/13/16 yup: - vorpalZ 12:55:59 12/13/16 I instruct for a living and saw this horror story unfold - hunterg 13:23:31 12/13/16 yup, also had that happen - vorpalZ 14:54:27 12/13/16 thick heads are ubiquitous at tracks, not just participants (n/m) - LJZTT 16:20:15 12/13/16 Re: yup, also had that happen - daZed 18:44:21 12/14/16 real Z'ers do it on snow... - ConVerTT 23:29:41 12/14/16 aren't you supposed to be on a parts run? (n/m) - vorpalZ 10:34:38 12/15/16 tomorrow ;-) (n/m) - ConVerTT 16:14:53 12/15/16 needs more wing (n/m) - not4resaleZ 13:48:34 12/13/16 Ouch. That's a pretty good whack. - CameronSF 10:40:45 12/15/16 +1, back off on the throttle and it pulls back in reasonably - Tanley (ATL) 12:59:46 12/13/16 All cars are designed to understeer from the factory - BlackholeZ 20:46:13 12/13/16 Any RWD car with serious power will do that..... - The Hawk 08:44:58 12/13/16 Re: Any RWD car with serious power will do that..... - Smokiedabear 09:19:23 12/13/16 I'll stick w my TT, bc IMO 2+2's are fugly... (n/m) - The Hawk 08:24:10 12/14/16 Sad but true. - Evan(CA) 21:05:39 12/17/16 Funny story... - BlackholeZ 20:52:07 12/13/16 Don't mash it in second gear on cold tires - WhiTTe Z 09:55:02 12/13/16 It's turbo... smooth in, smooth out - MightyAA 10:41:57 12/13/16 Z32 coupe is a pretty short wheelbase - hunterg 10:46:23 12/13/16 This sounds really cool. - Jayru 11:00:45 12/13/16 Absolutely! (n/m) - hunterg 12:06:47 12/13/16 Regarding how easy BMWs are to drive at the limit - hunterg 12:10:46 12/13/16 differences in wheelbase is insignificant when compared - LJZTT 12:38:53 12/13/16 Good point, I was able to corner balance the e36 to - hunterg 13:03:03 12/13/16 I think it is safe to say the majority of handling "issues" - LJZTT 13:22:22 12/13/16 I was able to get 47 rear, 48 cross on my 2+2 TT - BlackholeZ 21:00:47 12/13/16 Did you disconnect the sway bars when you did this? (n/m) - hunterg 23:07:02 12/13/16 I didn't. - BlackholeZ 01:07:18 12/14/16 Re: I was able to get 47 rear, 48 cross on my 2+2 TT - Dallas DamonZ 00:17:50 12/16/16 Cross is the only thing important, unless you are moving - not4resaleZ 11:16:35 12/14/16 Impressive video! (n/m) - OverZealous (CT) 20:14:57 12/13/16 thanks! It took several years approaching the limit slowly (n/m) - hunterg 22:58:40 12/13/16 My wheels are fairly heavy and I think that really - not4resaleZ 13:45:52 12/13/16 If you have not had the car for too long. You need - CmyZ 16:02:32 12/13/16 IMHO, there are multiple factors: - induetime 18:06:59 12/13/16 Agreed! My solution: Racelogic Traction Control - OverZealous (CT) 20:22:01 12/13/16 Anyone still selling these? - CowBoy 18:39:17 12/15/16 They're not often available - OverZealous (CT) 19:57:21 12/15/16 Very poor front/rear weight ratio. Need better tires. (n/m) - ForceFedTT (SoCal) 01:28:52 12/14/16 Maybe it's bc of your Nismo 777 injectors??? =)- (n/m) - The Hawk 08:30:07 12/14/16 this is retarded (n/m) - Adam (NoVA) 09:36:35 12/14/16 2nd. (n/m) - ConVerTT 23:28:12 12/14/16 the big problem is between seat and steering wheel (n/m) - Antihero 14:47:17 12/15/16 It's the nut that holds the wheel (n/m) - Brad(RI) 18:52:31 12/15/16
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