Subject	I instruct for a living and saw this horror story unfold
Posted by	hunterg on December 13, 2016 at 1:23 PM
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In Reply To	yup: posted by vorpalZ on December 13, 2016 at 12:55 PM
Message	Guy shows up to the track in a wicked fast track prepped M3(this was 3 years ago and we were both 27). Being a BMW guy too I started talking to the guy. Turns out it was his first track day ever, and he went out and bought the baddest M3 he could find...on Hoosier tires no less. He had all the wrong ideas for a first time tracker- bad attitude, entitled, thought he knew everything- a total non coachable person. I've instructed 100s of people and this guy was the worst I've ever heard lol. After 5 minutes talking to him I knew his instructor would have his work cut out. I was so thankful I wasn't paired with this guy! Well, you guessed it. Second session, 2nd lap. Fastest corner on track he loses the back end and wads it up with an instructor in the car. Thankfully they backed it into the trees, and didn't hit head on. Also, thankfully the car had proper safety gear. On a side note, I felt wrong taking the picture. Since then I do not take pictures when people stuff their car at the track. Buuuut it's been 3 years and I never posted it anywhere else so hopefully this guy doesn't hang out on TT.net
Follow Ups	Why are z cars so prone to spinning out of control??? - jgbatlantaZ 23:45:58 12/12/16 They're honestly not that bad - BlackholeZ 01:37:49 12/13/16 Re: They're honestly not that bad - jgbatlantaZ 14:50:46 12/13/16 what tires were you running? (n/m) - vorpalZ 14:55:28 12/13/16 Re: what tires were you running? - jgbatlantaZ 15:15:48 12/13/16 I like Michelin Pilot Supersports - vorpalZ 15:23:21 12/13/16 I've run through a set of both PSS and RE71 - hunterg 16:00:59 12/13/16 How'd the RE71 do at the track? - BlackholeZ 20:37:54 12/13/16 They were great. I've actually used several sets of RE71s - hunterg 22:54:00 12/13/16 It's important to understand that any tire will overheat - hunterg 23:05:26 12/13/16 I've actually been thinking of getting some of the Izze - BlackholeZ 00:56:36 12/14/16 Stick with the guys at GTE for tire info, great group - shawnc 16:58:49 12/13/16 My z used to be scary when it would break loose until I put - hunterg 15:55:58 12/13/16 Re: My z used to be scary when it would break loose until I put - ThisIsSparTTa 10:42:40 12/14/16 I can feel my LSD giving up. I have a Quaife on the shelf.. (n/m) - MixManMash 13:43:37 12/14/16 Can you provide more info on the Nismo unit you are using - not4resaleZ 17:10:01 12/14/16 You let off completely, that was your mistake. - BlackholeZ 20:35:53 12/13/16 Uh oh, this is bad info BlackHoleZ - hunterg 22:51:13 12/13/16 We may be saying the same thing - BlackholeZ 01:02:38 12/14/16 get rid of hicas -- hard to counter steer with it ... (n/m) - The Devils Z 13:47:34 12/15/16 well if you "graduated from racing school" and "know how to - LJZTT 07:54:43 12/13/16 Er, no they're not - vorpalZ 08:04:41 12/13/16 M3 can be tail happy too? - LJZTT 12:42:34 12/13/16 yup: - vorpalZ 12:55:59 12/13/16 I instruct for a living and saw this horror story unfold - hunterg 13:23:31 12/13/16 yup, also had that happen - vorpalZ 14:54:27 12/13/16 thick heads are ubiquitous at tracks, not just participants (n/m) - LJZTT 16:20:15 12/13/16 Re: yup, also had that happen - daZed 18:44:21 12/14/16 real Z'ers do it on snow... - ConVerTT 23:29:41 12/14/16 aren't you supposed to be on a parts run? (n/m) - vorpalZ 10:34:38 12/15/16 tomorrow ;-) (n/m) - ConVerTT 16:14:53 12/15/16 needs more wing (n/m) - not4resaleZ 13:48:34 12/13/16 Ouch. That's a pretty good whack. - CameronSF 10:40:45 12/15/16 +1, back off on the throttle and it pulls back in reasonably - Tanley (ATL) 12:59:46 12/13/16 All cars are designed to understeer from the factory - BlackholeZ 20:46:13 12/13/16 Any RWD car with serious power will do that..... - The Hawk 08:44:58 12/13/16 Re: Any RWD car with serious power will do that..... - Smokiedabear 09:19:23 12/13/16 I'll stick w my TT, bc IMO 2+2's are fugly... (n/m) - The Hawk 08:24:10 12/14/16 Sad but true. - Evan(CA) 21:05:39 12/17/16 Funny story... - BlackholeZ 20:52:07 12/13/16 Don't mash it in second gear on cold tires - WhiTTe Z 09:55:02 12/13/16 It's turbo... smooth in, smooth out - MightyAA 10:41:57 12/13/16 Z32 coupe is a pretty short wheelbase - hunterg 10:46:23 12/13/16 This sounds really cool. - Jayru 11:00:45 12/13/16 Absolutely! (n/m) - hunterg 12:06:47 12/13/16 Regarding how easy BMWs are to drive at the limit - hunterg 12:10:46 12/13/16 differences in wheelbase is insignificant when compared - LJZTT 12:38:53 12/13/16 Good point, I was able to corner balance the e36 to - hunterg 13:03:03 12/13/16 I think it is safe to say the majority of handling "issues" - LJZTT 13:22:22 12/13/16 I was able to get 47 rear, 48 cross on my 2+2 TT - BlackholeZ 21:00:47 12/13/16 Did you disconnect the sway bars when you did this? (n/m) - hunterg 23:07:02 12/13/16 I didn't. - BlackholeZ 01:07:18 12/14/16 Re: I was able to get 47 rear, 48 cross on my 2+2 TT - Dallas DamonZ 00:17:50 12/16/16 Cross is the only thing important, unless you are moving - not4resaleZ 11:16:35 12/14/16 Impressive video! (n/m) - OverZealous (CT) 20:14:57 12/13/16 thanks! It took several years approaching the limit slowly (n/m) - hunterg 22:58:40 12/13/16 My wheels are fairly heavy and I think that really - not4resaleZ 13:45:52 12/13/16 If you have not had the car for too long. You need - CmyZ 16:02:32 12/13/16 IMHO, there are multiple factors: - induetime 18:06:59 12/13/16 Agreed! My solution: Racelogic Traction Control - OverZealous (CT) 20:22:01 12/13/16 Anyone still selling these? - CowBoy 18:39:17 12/15/16 They're not often available - OverZealous (CT) 19:57:21 12/15/16 Very poor front/rear weight ratio. Need better tires. (n/m) - ForceFedTT (SoCal) 01:28:52 12/14/16 Maybe it's bc of your Nismo 777 injectors??? =)- (n/m) - The Hawk 08:30:07 12/14/16 this is retarded (n/m) - Adam (NoVA) 09:36:35 12/14/16 2nd. (n/m) - ConVerTT 23:28:12 12/14/16 the big problem is between seat and steering wheel (n/m) - Antihero 14:47:17 12/15/16 It's the nut that holds the wheel (n/m) - Brad(RI) 18:52:31 12/15/16
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