Oh I wasn't mad at you lol. I too read they didn't but then read they did. Kinda the same thing here. I understand pretty much whatever I get will need tires. I started out wanting the 18" 350z 5 spoke wheels but they're only 8.5" . I just kinda stumbled on these for cheap & figured if they fit I could get them & some decent tires & be around the $900 mark.