Subject	You have to be comfy making a broad fuel compensation, yes.
Posted by	dogpile on June 30, 2013 at 8:58 AM
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In Reply To	So you essentially have to be comfortable tuning in order to posted by MixManMash on June 30, 2013 at 12:25 AM
Message	You don't need to retune in the sense that you'd be adjusting different points of the fuel map, or touch timing. As long as you're not running the ragged edge with timing, and you have something that can adjust the entire fuel map at once, it's about as trivial an adjustment as you can get. For instance, we will tune a car on pump gas first. Then we drain the tank and add E85. We do some quick math to adjust the entire fuel map, do a pull to make sure the AFR is safe enough to start actual tuning, then laugh that we picked up at least 40rwhp with JUST a fuel change and that rough adjust to overa fuel.
Follow Ups	Injector and fuel pump sizing for e85 - AddictedToBoost 10:32:50 06/29/13 Depends on your HP goals... - 1badz32 (MN) 10:36:59 06/29/13 Re: Depends on your HP goals... - AddictedToBoost 10:41:05 06/29/13 Maybe not on pump gas... - 1badz32 (MN) 10:46:54 06/29/13 Re: Maybe not on pump gas... - AddictedToBoost 10:52:30 06/29/13 850's, good OEM fp, done deal for your sp500's.. - samsung-Z [Houston] 13:25:01 06/29/13 What kind of mileage do you get on that, though? (n/m) - Marshall 17:34:06 06/29/13 my Zed is a sports car, not a honda, whats gas mileage? ? ;) (n/m) - samsung-Z [Houston] 08:29:35 06/30/13 it's what determines how far away you can drive from that - LJZTT 12:36:43 06/30/13 Ever heard of selectable maps? Nothing new + affordable! - samsung-Z [Houston] 19:14:44 06/30/13 no one cares about your input, so stfu (n/m) - LJZTT 21:25:00 06/30/13 What's a zed? (n/m) - Bernie (NoVA) 14:59:18 07/01/13 With those turbos get some 850s with a couple fuel pumps (n/m) - Piranha 10:49:08 06/29/13 you don't want to convert to E85 just to run SP500's (n/m) - LJZTT 13:32:35 06/29/13 Re: you don't want to convert to E85 just to run SP500's - AddictedToBoost 13:44:11 06/29/13 are you really into drag racing? - LJZTT 19:47:12 06/29/13 Actually e85 with sport 500s would be fast as hell! - Piranha 14:20:11 06/29/13 E85 on stockers would be "worth" it... (n/m) - dogpile 15:22:17 06/29/13 convince me, in terms of $ for increased-HP ratio (n/m) - LJZTT 19:49:36 06/29/13 Re: convince me, in terms of $ for increased-HP ratio - AddictedToBoost 20:14:44 06/29/13 just for injectors? - LJZTT 21:18:53 06/29/13 On that same train of thought, why upgrade at all then? - dogpile 23:32:25 06/29/13 set that tool back on the shelf and save your breathe.. . - samsung-Z [Houston] 08:26:59 06/30/13 adults are talking child, go back to twitter (n/m) - LJZTT 11:19:29 06/30/13 well it isn't the same train of thought - LJZTT 12:25:25 06/30/13 "Building" for E85 is simply overbuilding for pump. Period. - dogpile 21:11:16 06/30/13 Actually I'm just asking the questions one should be asking - LJZTT 21:36:48 06/30/13 I agree. - dogpile 08:48:07 07/01/13 Sure, if it were available just like regular fuel, it would - LJZTT 12:53:11 07/01/13 It is in some areas, and the performance increase outweighs - dogpile 22:37:31 07/01/13 Well I have been gone for a few years, but I have only seen - LJZTT 23:00:18 07/01/13 Fair enough. The government talk is fairly moot though since - dogpile 08:35:58 07/02/13 It was tough to resist the temptation to relocate to Texas - LJZTT 14:10:11 07/02/13 Convince you of what, that's he octane limited? - dogpile 09:06:41 06/30/13 you're missing the point - LJZTT 11:28:49 06/30/13 I see your point - toykoz32 18:10:01 06/30/13 Re: you're missing the point - AddictedToBoost 19:15:23 06/30/13 If you are going E85, I highly recommend going with a - MixManMash 13:40:09 06/29/13 That's what's stopping me right now (n/m) - Piranha 14:13:47 06/29/13 Can't you just tune for something lower, - The Hawk 15:01:01 06/29/13 With a change in ethanol content, your target AFR changes - BlackholeZ 15:30:48 06/29/13 But you can run it much leaner and still not detonate. - The Hawk 20:10:46 06/29/13 Overkill statement for pump E85, though the sensors are - samsung-Z [Houston] 14:56:47 06/29/13 This is what I was getting at in my post above. - The Hawk 15:04:53 06/29/13 Re: This is what I was getting at in my post above. - AddictedToBoost 15:13:40 06/29/13 The gas station has nothing to do with the content. - BlackholeZ 15:37:21 06/29/13 Re: The gas station has nothing to do with the content. - AddictedToBoost 16:06:33 06/29/13 The Haltech is very different. It can do many functions. - MixManMash 17:58:57 06/29/13 Once you fill up and your tank mixes it will be consistent - BlackholeZ 20:37:10 06/29/13 You are misunderstanding what the haltech does with a flex - ztunerz 22:01:26 06/29/13 Exactly. Every batch of fuel they get will be different. (n/m) - MixManMash 17:59:54 06/29/13 bingo, there is a "right way" to do something, and then - LJZTT 12:33:38 06/30/13 I would suggest you talk to someone that tunes - toykoz32 16:47:24 06/29/13 I also recommend you break your motor in - toykoz32 16:55:20 06/29/13 Re: I also recommend you break your motor in - AddictedToBoost 18:13:05 06/29/13 So the ECA let's you measure the ethanol content. How is - MixManMash 17:54:44 06/29/13 When you car is tuned you know the ethanol content - toykoz32 18:41:53 06/29/13 So you essentially have to be comfortable tuning in order to - MixManMash 00:25:29 06/30/13 You have to be comfy making a broad fuel compensation, yes. - dogpile 08:58:31 06/30/13 Cool. Thanks. (n/m) - MixManMash 11:28:17 06/30/13 Or you can just be comfortable mixing fuels (very easy) - maglito 21:34:38 06/30/13 Questions: - bartz32tt 00:02:16 07/01/13 Answers: - maglito 03:32:18 07/01/13 Good info - thanks! One last question: - bartz32tt 08:48:40 07/01/13 Really I'm very happy with e63 - maglito 14:50:28 07/01/13 It's like running a wideband without a fancy ECU - BlackholeZ 21:13:21 06/29/13 Can anyone say J&S Knock Controller? - rcmadness 23:50:37 06/30/13 What was your injector duty cycle? - Alan (TN) 11:21:13 07/02/13 Re: What was your injector duty cycle? - rcmadness 23:33:44 07/05/13 Re: What was your injector duty cycle? - rcmadness 10:16:47 07/06/13 Nismo 740cc will support sp500s with a stock pump - Dane (Houston) 03:12:02 07/01/13 I have been running E85 for over a year and LOVE it! - Bumblebeetuna 07:56:57 07/01/13
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