And it makes sense as the turbos are just starting to make power the cams are dying off. So I'm not debating that fact I just wanted to see other dyno charts to compare. I just realized that I've never seen hp/tq numbers of a car with AT cams. I'm sure I'm not the only one running them though. Now I'm debating on either going with MT cams or JWT 500 cams. I know the JWT cams would require HD springs but would it be the same amount of work to install MT cams?