Subject	If you are going to run no intercoolers you need to run....
Posted by	TTZ2NV(EPTmotorsports) on November 21, 2012 at 10:21 AM
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In Reply To	Since water/alcohol/secret sauce is the rage.... posted by mpmarino on November 20, 2012 at 07:14 AM
Message	Straight alcohol in my opinion. Stock injectors with stock turbos will not make 400whp. 300-320 maybe and with water meth maybe 350-370, but that will be because of timing not boost. Turbos compress and heat up the air, friction from compressed air moving through pipes also heats the air. Your engine bay heat soaking you piping and plenum heats the air. Hot days heat the air but not as much as actual road temps. If you wanna keep you iat's super cool than run intercoolers, inject straight methanol only, no water at the compressor wheel and water meth in the plenum. I personally dig nismo's VQ30dett with its air to air and air water Intercoolers. No intercoolers in my opinion is asking for trouble, especially trying to make 150 more wheel horsepower using mostly stock components. There's dudes that spend 5k plus trying to get to 400 whp, taking off your intercoolers and adding water meth isn't going to get you to 400 IMO, but some nice knocking and possible enternal damage. I've got a z in my shop now with a dead cylinder cause the customer was running 19psi on stock turbos with 91 octane gas.
Follow Ups	Since water/alcohol/secret sauce is the rage.... - mpmarino 07:14:44 11/20/12 what are your plans for the car? - Krazyd27(Houston) 08:35:02 11/20/12 Re: what are your plans for the car? - Wiegs 09:01:31 11/20/12 Just something different. - mpmarino 09:08:41 11/20/12 The VG runs hot to begin with. Removing cooling elements - TriniTT 09:00:03 11/20/12 Check out the Aquamist forum. - xpwarrior 09:40:35 11/20/12 There were/are a few cars I know of (non-z) that run high - dogpile 09:48:27 11/20/12 The reduction in piping would be great, but even though you - jmt-z 09:51:16 11/20/12 I know at least with the Snow Performance systems - Zsgetyoulaid 10:15:25 11/20/12 Yes, but I have even had a safe injection module fail. - MixManMash 13:13:57 11/20/12 I used to be all about water/meth inj - Zsgetyoulaid 10:13:21 11/20/12 How corrosive is a pure water injection system (no alcohol)? (n/m) - RonZ300 (Socal) 10:50:29 11/20/12 I dont remember who posted it... - Red Hawk (CO) 10:57:17 11/20/12 I wonder how the heads hold up? (n/m) - RonZ300 (Socal) 10:58:08 11/20/12 heads were fine - aliaZ 11:09:11 11/20/12 The heads are aluminum too, and have water going through - jmt-z 11:11:12 11/20/12 that was me - aliaZ 11:08:09 11/20/12 The stock pipes shouldnt see any rust. - Woody75 (Denver) 11:14:14 11/20/12 I agree it shouldn't be in there, somehow i think it was - Red Hawk (CO) 11:29:19 11/20/12 I was running a snow system - aliaZ 12:07:25 11/20/12 I had the SMC system on my car installed by MWS. - Evan(CA) 17:59:59 11/20/12 Your set up appears to have had issues as well. - Woody75 (Denver) 19:04:35 11/20/12 Re: Since water/alcohol/secret sauce is the rage.... - mpmarino 11:09:04 11/20/12 "I know there are a zillion variables." - TriniTT 11:19:35 11/20/12 Re: "I know there are a zillion variables." - mpmarino 16:07:58 11/20/12 How does your comment cultivate discussion? - TriniTT 16:33:45 11/20/12 Re: How does your comment cultivate discussion? - mpmarino 17:31:11 11/20/12 If you're seriously considering experimenting, - TriniTT 19:57:27 11/20/12 its been done - only suitable for drag cars IMO (n/m) - ztunerz 11:23:40 11/20/12 Woo Hoo I was right :) (n/m) - Krazyd27(Houston) 12:56:27 11/20/12 ztunerz -Please tell me why you have that opinion. - mpmarino 16:29:36 11/20/12 here is why - ztunerz 17:21:58 11/20/12 Re: here is why - mpmarino 17:45:57 11/20/12 Re: here is why - mpmarino 18:45:46 11/20/12 you don't need to be a programmer you just need a - ztunerz 23:49:40 11/20/12 yep he would need a nice aquamist setup - aliaZ 06:28:24 11/21/12 bamm (n/m) - WhiTTe Z 22:03:30 11/20/12 btw - i would do water to air ics and meth if at all (n/m) - ztunerz 11:24:56 11/20/12 Would that be efficient for street applIcations? - AHos(Chicago) 15:21:04 11/20/12 it will if engineered right - check the new turbo m3 (n/m) - ztunerz 17:23:57 11/20/12 air to air is more efficient than air to water - aliaZ 06:47:03 11/21/12 If you can keep the water temp down - AHos(Chicago) 08:32:51 11/21/12 no - aliaZ 12:19:20 11/21/12 Ah true. I shoulda thought about that. (n/m) - AHos(Chicago) 14:59:17 11/21/12 Re: no - Zsgetyoulaid 22:24:08 11/21/12 That's what I was thinking. - AHos(Chicago) 00:38:22 11/22/12 water has a higher heat capacity - aliaZ 00:59:22 11/22/12 There is a shop in TX that did NA-TT swaps that way. - Woody75 (Denver) 11:25:36 11/20/12 HA - there is nothing new under the sun..... (n/m) - mpmarino 12:12:55 11/20/12 If you are going to run no intercoolers you need to run.... - TTZ2NV(EPTmotorsports) 10:21:16 11/21/12 Re: If you are going to run no intercoolers you need to run.... - mpmarino 12:49:08 11/21/12
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