Subject	700-800+ whp
Posted by	blackomega on March 05, 2012 at 9:35 AM
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Message	I am trying to understand what keeps the Z in the 500-600 hp range on the average builds and what it takes to get up closer to 1000hp. With forged internals and a good block and a sound build, it seems to be that the only limiting factors are fuel and turbos. Is that it? Is there anything else internally that is overlooked / bypassed on the mild builds but beefed up on the heavy builds (besides the crank)? Different bearings? Custom I/E manifolds? I'm just asking. I would like to have my Z motor opened up again just one last time or so and then be confident that all I had to do is upgrade fuel system and turbos next time I want to go faster. Right now I am on the stock fuel pump and 740cc nismo injectors so I know I am bumping up against the limit even for my mild build right now on race gas. So there is obvious room for improvement in fuel and turbos... Is there really any reason besides gossip to be worried about my Weisco pistons and Eagle rods? ___________________ "If everybody is thinking alike, somebody isn't thinking." ~~ George S. Patton Cammed car, truck, and quad, what? DD: La-Z-Link
Follow Ups	700-800+ whp - blackomega 09:35:55 03/05/12 race gas vs pump gas (n/m) - twin3037 09:58:02 03/05/12 Re: 700-800+ whp - DbestiZ1 09:59:43 03/05/12 I already spent the 15k... - blackomega 10:04:58 03/05/12 Also looking at your profile you have already spent a good - DbestiZ1 10:12:47 03/05/12 I would not attempt such power on eagle rods - SimaYi 10:05:44 03/05/12 I remember a vague posting as well that was also disputed - blackomega 10:11:53 03/05/12 The members were disputing the unsubstantianted claims - BigTDogg (MA) 10:15:22 03/05/12 Is that what you call harry / ztuner? (n/m) - blackomega 10:17:28 03/05/12 I thought he was referring to samsungZ? (n/m) - Aqualung 10:23:58 03/05/12 maybe - blackomega 10:27:26 03/05/12 The way I see it... - Aqualung 16:06:22 03/05/12 IIRC, Harry was agreeing with Don in saying that Eagle rods - BigTDogg (MA) 10:36:16 03/05/12 Harry speaks a couple posts down from your link... - blackomega 11:16:08 03/05/12 Not breaking the bank <--------------------> 800RWHP (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 12:31:32 03/05/12 i know... - blackomega 12:36:05 03/05/12 i don't think there is, Matt, even the pauters are expensive (n/m) - vulcanrush 12:37:41 03/05/12 There is not. Go with Carillo Super A-Beam or Crower. - MixManMash 12:56:41 03/05/12 IPP has a good price on Carillo Super As (n/m) - blackomega 11:27:19 03/06/12 Did anyone happen to post pics of those streched rods? - John@Z1 14:29:35 03/05/12 BIG 2nd. (n/m) - samsungZ [Houston] 15:34:08 03/05/12 Pay me and i will show you. (n/m) - ztunerz 22:04:37 03/05/12 How about you show me 10 thousands of an inch diff - ztunerz 22:03:14 03/05/12 LOL, love the last sentence. (n/m) - John@Z1 11:22:22 03/06/12 All claims were based on EAGLE'S own claims from their staff - samsungZ [Houston] 14:56:45 03/05/12 Combustion is a compressive load on the rod - aliaZ 17:54:45 03/05/12 Agreed, and the same applies for all rods - samsungZ [Houston] 19:42:41 03/05/12 No kidding (n/m) - ztunerz 22:08:11 03/05/12 Re: I remember a vague posting as well that was also disputed - SimaYi 10:15:43 03/05/12 anyone using the SARD 850cc side feed injectors? - blackomega 12:34:41 03/05/12 imo, if not nismo740cc's, i'd use bde's fuel system - vulcanrush 12:39:19 03/05/12 1,000 HP? That is a top-feed-specific order - CoHPhasor 12:59:02 03/05/12 right, bde top-feed (n/m) - vulcanrush 13:07:20 03/05/12 my goals are <900whp over the next few years - blackomega 13:10:02 03/05/12 no more than 775 (n/m) - ztunerz 14:38:37 03/05/12 whp? (n/m) - blackomega 15:39:06 03/05/12 If that, i was running about 90 % IDC at around 700 whp - ztunerz 22:06:44 03/05/12 no way around it... - blackomega 08:46:26 03/06/12 simple - rod bearing width, not enough of it, not much you - ztunerz 14:36:38 03/05/12 Re: simple - rod bearing width, not enough of it, not much you - Tech@EPR 15:54:48 03/05/12 Nascar uses the H22 Honda bearing, which is wider - aliaZ 18:38:12 03/05/12 Re: Nascar uses the H22 Honda bearing, which is wider - Tech@EPR 20:38:21 03/05/12 real race cars also run dry sumps whereas most street cars - aliaZ 23:06:23 03/05/12 Re: real race cars also run dry sumps whereas most street cars - Tech@EPR 00:13:46 03/06/12 who has done this before? - Antihero 23:43:00 03/05/12 Done what before? The H22 bearing in a Z? - aliaZ 05:27:31 03/06/12 thanks for the education - vulcanrush 10:25:42 03/06/12 there really isn't a viable alternative. - aliaZ 21:29:00 03/06/12 no wider bearings of any sort in a vg30 - Antihero 10:38:42 03/06/12 the only bearing I'm aware of is the L28 bearing - aliaZ 11:42:00 03/06/12 ever know anyone do suffer crank failure after? - Antihero 13:15:54 03/06/12 The crank isn't bullet proof - aliaZ 19:49:50 03/06/12 Expect more from you Mitch >>> - ztunerz 21:54:41 03/05/12 Re: Expect more from you Mitch >>> - Tech@EPR 02:58:56 03/06/12 It would be amusing to see your customers face when - ztunerz 08:30:56 03/06/12 Harry why are you murdering in the morning (n/m) - ZiNnYc 09:05:11 03/06/12 just grouchy - the internet seems to do that to me - ztunerz 15:08:02 03/06/12 Re: It would be amusing to see your customers face when - Tech@EPR 12:52:08 03/06/12 nevermind Mitch, its a waste of time - you are correct (n/m) - ztunerz 15:02:40 03/06/12 What kind of pie?? (n/m) - SactoTodd 18:07:49 03/06/12 hair pie? (n/m) - aliaZ 19:25:01 03/06/12 I guess I'll see 700-800+ whp - nmgoodthing 14:53:43 03/05/12 +1 on the corn juice.. I run it full time now... - samsungZ [Houston] 14:59:16 03/05/12 If you want 700+ HP with E85 you need more than 1000cc - CoHPhasor 16:25:46 03/05/12 Re: If you want 700+ HP with E85 you need more than 1000cc - nmgoodthing 16:55:00 03/05/12 Sorry, didn't realize the 1600's were discontinued. - CoHPhasor 18:30:34 03/05/12 700+ HP on E85 you need more than 1000cc at 43.5psi - induetime 21:53:13 03/05/12 I certainly don't run in that hp range but I'd assume.... - arrowenterprises 15:23:57 03/05/12 I'm well aware. - blackomega 15:40:49 03/05/12 Re: I'm well aware. - MikeC(NZ) 04:18:46 03/07/12 Really I am not after a 1000 hp street car or race car - blackomega 08:27:20 03/07/12
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