:So many things on the Z can be gotten-to more easily from below...unfortunately ceiling height in a normal residential garage limits how high you can get the car up in the air. :Does anyone know of a lift that would accomodate a 8' ceiling ? What design is safest ? ( scissor, ramp, hydraulic, pneumatic, gear) My 4-pole would fit a 8' ceiling. I have 9' and although I can not stand up under the car, its WORTH IT!!! I scoot around on a stool with casters on it. Pictures? tbaranek@earthlink.net