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First of all the vr 4 does not weigh 4500 lbs . it weights 3800 +- 50 lbs based on year options etc. Secondly if if you don't dump the clutch from 5k rpm at every corner its not unreliable. No more so than the Z. Thirdly it does not have a 30 % driveline loss :) Yes due to its awd it IS a safer car for the inexperienced driver than a Z. It is a bit slower overall and yes it is faster off the line. The 3000 GT is cheaper to modify than a Z. That all being said. I personally think the Z is the more rewarding car to drive. It is simply more fun. It looks better and in the hands of a better driver it is dynamically a better car to drive. Harry
 " If it dosn't make it faster, i don't care "
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20:37:43 06/29/01
