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on my car were only 17s with 225 (previous owner put them on) but they were kuhmo ecsta's. The kuhmos were sticky and pretty impressive but obviously didnt last. The vredesteins are awesome and the tires dont kick unless you intentionally try to (hard clutch drop, clutch kicking, ripping the wheel). Have had Parada spec 2 and a few other tires on my last car and the vredesteins are a very predictable tire. They give good feel, can be a little noisy at high speeds on grooved road, as I read the reviews about its wet characteristics I didnt believe it but it really does awesome. As I said though we will see how long they last.
"Do you guys put the key in "balls down", or up?" -BobbyT 10:28:19 03/06/09 
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