Subject	MSP uses known quality materials & manufacturing
Posted by	Bernie (NoVA) on January 04, 2010 at 10:11 PM
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In Reply To	Re: returning and rebuying should be in order posted by pearlwhite94ttz on January 04, 2010 at 09:47 PM
Message	MSP manifolds are made in the USA, at the same foundry that Garrett uses. They use top notch materials and publish their composition. AMS uses melted manhole covers for all we know, are made in China and they repeatedly avoid the question of what their manifolds are made of. The fact is they pay under $50 a set wholesale. At that price point the fundamental quality of the materials is HIGHLY suspect. AMS customers should ask themselves - who it is that AMS is "helping" by price gouging each person that has ordered a set of manifolds from them. Their margin has been $100s of dollars on each set sold, yet Vuk will tell you that he is Robin Hood. Bernie Bilski berniebilski@cox.net 1995 Nissan 300ZX TwinTurbo in Cobalt Green 1997 Nissan 240SX SE in Ultra Red ZCCNV #390 ~ ECZA #368
Follow Ups	AMS vs. Ebay Manifold Debate....Case Closed - Tech@EPR 15:24:12 01/04/10 Cliff notes..."are exactly the same" (n/m) - Bernie (NoVA) 15:40:32 01/04/10 $149 < $550 = sits well with me. (n/m) - evan_aggie 15:52:11 01/04/10 Thanks for taking the time to do the thorough testing. (n/m) - treese88 15:53:37 01/04/10 tpiwwosemam - Adam (NoVA) 16:03:51 01/04/10 So the copycats got copied. LOL .and at $149 LOL!!! (n/m) - MikeVar82 16:08:07 01/04/10 No, didn't you read? They are the same manifolds. (n/m) - Ashman2k2 16:29:12 01/04/10 ah. either way very funny (n/m) - MikeVar82 16:44:59 01/04/10 Who are your world business partners? Did you perform - zgene4 16:19:18 01/04/10 Karma. (n/m) - Spongerider :) 16:23:11 01/04/10 Are you sure you have the proper accreditation to make - Dream Z 16:24:26 01/04/10 Bets on how long this post would last on 3zc? (n/m) - Evan(CA) 16:37:03 01/04/10 1...2..Gone (n/m) - LiftedCracker 16:47:32 01/04/10 Still waiting for it LOL (n/m) - Piranha(PHX) 17:03:10 01/04/10 u wont see it lol (n/m) - DarkZide 22:55:53 01/04/10 Go post it up DarkZide... its your turn to get banned :) (n/m) - Piranha(PHX) 23:37:35 01/04/10 They've banned me like 20 times. Oh well. (n/m) - Optima 02:08:10 01/05/10 where should I post it? i hate that place anyways. - ghostinator (fl) 09:45:40 01/05/10 LOLZ! (n/m) - Halo Z 16:37:54 01/04/10 thanks (n/m) - aliaZ 16:42:22 01/04/10 Yikes!!! (n/m) - jschrauwen 16:48:41 01/04/10 Not to discourage any AMS nut-kicking, but how does - Guapo 17:00:40 01/04/10 Re: Not to discourage any AMS nut-kicking, but how does - Tech@EPR 17:38:11 01/04/10 I have the SZ inconel and I had to run two gaskets - AZHeat 12:53:05 01/05/10 2nd. Aren't those pics showing PS mani with DS turbo?? (n/m) - ConVerTT 17:45:39 01/04/10 Re: 2nd. Aren't those pics showing PS mani with DS turbo?? - Tech@EPR 18:02:23 01/04/10 lmao, The eBay ones even say "AMS"? (n/m) - 550HPTT 17:30:11 01/04/10 Well Damnit Mitch - pearlwhite94ttz 17:56:24 01/04/10 Re: Well Damnit Mitch - Tech@EPR 18:00:32 01/04/10 returning and rebuying should be in order - ZLover4Life 18:12:27 01/04/10 das truth (n/m) - Halo Z 18:16:34 01/04/10 Re: returning and rebuying should be in order - Tech@EPR 18:25:44 01/04/10 Agreed. - SimaYi 19:03:24 01/04/10 you, yourself, spoke of poor quality control (n/m) - ZLover4Life 07:17:31 01/05/10 Re: returning and rebuying should be in order - pearlwhite94ttz 21:47:05 01/04/10 the main reason is that these manifolds are copies of MSP's (n/m) - inf 21:58:32 01/04/10 MSP uses known quality materials & manufacturing - Bernie (NoVA) 22:11:07 01/04/10 Re: MSP uses known quality materials & manufacturing - Tech@EPR 22:18:52 01/04/10 According to SPLParts and what I have been told by Mike - Bernie (NoVA) 22:23:23 01/04/10 Re: According to SPLParts and what I have been told by Mike - Tech@EPR 22:28:45 01/04/10 You prob. should cite a source before you toss out something - Bernie (NoVA) 22:29:47 01/04/10 Re: You prob. should cite a source before you toss out something - Tech@EPR 22:31:41 01/04/10 Where are these Garrett foundry's located and - AZHeat 18:03:57 01/05/10 Did you actually read the post? (n/m) - Bernie (NoVA) 19:06:57 01/05/10 C'mon now Bernie, you know he can't read too good, meanie (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 12:21:21 01/06/10 A lot of vendors overstate their products. Why wouldn't - AZHeat 17:29:30 01/06/10 In a word? Ethics. (n/m) - Bernie (NoVA) 21:31:54 01/06/10 LOL, when it comes to money , it's every man for himself. - AZHeat 21:55:58 01/06/10 I don't see what's funny about it. (n/m) - Bernie (NoVA) 22:59:59 01/06/10 What's funny is you think or assume every vendor is - AZHeat 23:21:18 01/06/10 I don't assume any such thing. - Bernie (NoVA) 07:57:05 01/07/10 that has nothing to do wiht the subject at hand (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 23:20:24 01/06/10 Do you believe everything you read ? Just because it - AZHeat 17:27:37 01/06/10 "what I have been told by Mike himself" - Bernie (NoVA) 21:34:56 01/06/10 Re: "what I have been told by Mike himself" - AZHeat 21:48:47 01/06/10 than why not sell the Z and get a high quality cheaper car - Halo Z 22:38:47 01/04/10 "gotta pay to play" - ZLover4Life 10:07:27 01/05/10 Sums it up perfectly (n/m) - HighPsi 17:26:34 01/05/10 I've always liked "Garbage in=Garbage out" (n/m) - Piranha(PHX) 22:15:42 01/05/10 not surprised ;) "Garbage in=Garbage out" (n/m) - My300zx 01:19:14 01/06/10 2nd! Talk to Kyle and see if he will switch them out for - Piranha(PHX) 23:27:34 01/04/10 Wasn't it a customer specified special order? - Bernie (NoVA) 15:57:16 01/05/10 Special order or not, Kyle sold them so I would think - Piranha(PHX) 17:41:21 01/05/10 I wouldn't - esp. if I made it clear that it was a special - Bernie (NoVA) 18:56:24 01/05/10 For once you I disagree Bernie :) (n/m) - Piranha(PHX) 19:03:47 01/05/10 I'm ok w. that. (n/m) - Bernie (NoVA) 19:09:04 01/05/10 You're allowed to be incorrect. :-) (n/m) - Only1Z 19:42:36 01/05/10 Bernie makes several good points. - Spongerider :) 19:08:43 01/05/10 I agree 100% as far as the product goes, but if a vendor - Piranha(PHX) 19:20:33 01/05/10 What is there to stand behind? - Only1Z 19:45:59 01/05/10 You know I dont even know if the guy wants to return them... - Piranha(PHX) 19:59:21 01/05/10 Yeah I know. You are correct. He should try, but I don't - Only1Z 20:03:47 01/05/10 Just to set the record straight - Kyle(Houston) 21:14:56 01/05/10 What does he need to stand behind? - Bernie (NoVA) 21:23:53 01/05/10 Nothing Bernie since you educated me on special orders :) (n/m) - Piranha(PHX) 21:45:35 01/05/10 Beautiful, Mitch. - SimaYi 18:09:22 01/04/10 No honor among thieves. (n/m) - dpjax 18:14:05 01/04/10 sounds like they "fell off the truck" (n/m) - blackomega 18:19:36 01/04/10 I'm not sure if I can trust someone that doesn't have a - Loredram 18:25:27 01/04/10 Lol...so true! (n/m) - mikem@ztune.ca 21:51:04 01/04/10 They keep the better castings for themselves - Brad(RI) 18:38:22 01/04/10 This makes since for me. Ebay has feedback, and recourse via - Turnerscasa (Dallas) 07:28:15 01/05/10 i dont get it! my buddy just installed a set of AMS manis - jmurcybizd 18:38:30 01/04/10 Re: i dont get it! my buddy just installed a set of AMS manis - Tech@EPR 19:04:52 01/04/10 welcome back (n/m) - Seb@Specialty-Z 13:47:34 01/05/10 Interesting. (n/m) - Summeronthechain (MN) 18:39:48 01/04/10 Hilarity ensues. (n/m) - bstyleZ 19:03:13 01/04/10 Who has the link to purchase ebay ones?? :-) (n/m) - nonstopna 19:04:46 01/04/10 Re: Who has the link to purchase ebay ones?? :-) - ali300zx 20:27:17 01/04/10 Re: Re: Who has the link to purchase ebay ones?? :-) - Tech@EPR 22:20:20 01/04/10 wrong. they are the same manifolds, the pics in the ad - nissansx 23:20:34 01/04/10 Those pics are definitely of stock manifold dimensions - Ashman2k2 04:35:27 01/05/10 2nd (n/m) - aliaZ 15:04:22 01/05/10 those are not the AMS manifolds - aliaZ 15:03:16 01/05/10 Ok... so does anybody know where to get them or if - nonstopna 20:11:59 01/05/10 would be interesting to see how 3zc'ers will react - jzx 19:20:56 01/04/10 that is easy......they will flock to ebay (n/m) - dpjax 19:29:57 01/04/10 They will all flock to ebay anyway. (n/m) - zfreak(Dallas) 19:48:04 01/04/10 they'll just say well its better than stock. (n/m) - Alan(MD/NJ) 19:48:36 01/04/10 Re: AMS vs. Ebay Manifold Debate....Case Closed - michaell32 19:21:15 01/04/10 Re: Re: AMS vs. Ebay Manifold Debate....Case Closed - Tech@EPR 19:52:53 01/04/10 Re: Re: Re: AMS vs. Ebay Manifold Debate....Case Closed - michaell32 18:16:48 01/05/10 HIGH-sterical. (n/m) - awesom-o 19:34:46 01/04/10 Well played. - zfreak(Dallas) 19:47:25 01/04/10 should have done MS manis to show quality diff. (n/m) - Alan(MD/NJ) 19:52:44 01/04/10 Re: should have done MS manis to show quality diff. - Tech@EPR 19:54:21 01/04/10 I think that's already been done (n/m) - inf 20:17:46 01/04/10 I've got a set of MS manis (n/m) - aliaZ 21:07:15 01/04/10 Re: I've got a set of MS manis - Tech@EPR 21:33:23 01/04/10 me too (n/m) - Piranha(PHX) 22:18:26 01/05/10 Re: AMS vs. Ebay Manifold Debate....Case Closed - WazTTed 20:22:46 01/04/10 no kidding. me too (n/m) - bbug 20:49:15 01/04/10 ...and I'm glad to spend every dime of that. - zfreak(Dallas) 20:59:45 01/04/10 Re: ...and I'm glad to spend every dime of that. - nissansx 23:24:30 01/04/10 nice to to see some real tech stuff - zdoc 20:22:49 01/04/10 you are missing the big picture (n/m) - dpjax 20:57:07 01/04/10 indeed (n/m) - aliaZ 21:03:11 01/04/10 Re: you are missing the big picture - zdoc 21:59:01 01/04/10 The big picture: - Bernie (NoVA) 22:13:19 01/04/10 save more money and buy a honda or some car from china. (n/m) - Halo Z 22:45:47 01/04/10 so you don't care who copied who so long as you get it cheap - aliaZ 22:51:02 01/04/10 Yawn... AMS is craptastic, been proven. (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 23:06:00 01/04/10 I agree, I don't really care as long as it saves me money. - Optima 02:06:24 01/05/10 what you guys dont realize - jzx 06:01:49 01/05/10 ...if you want to continue seeing new products for the Z32 - BigTDogg (MA) 06:28:51 01/05/10 That is a great lesson to teach your family. - dpjax 06:13:16 01/05/10 I feel sorry for your kids - aliaZ 07:02:21 01/05/10 2nd - ZLover4Life 07:19:34 01/05/10 While I understand your point, pretty much all toys are - Multi_Read (MO) 08:26:48 01/06/10 Big 3rd. That's pitiful. (n/m) - Dustin 08:01:09 01/05/10 Wow. I'm glad my parents raised me right. - collegeboy 10:33:34 01/05/10 Subjective opinion..: ) (I joke...wsup.) (n/m) - Turnerscasa (Dallas) 11:39:06 01/05/10 Really? Kind of short sighted don't you think? (n/m) - Piranha(PHX) 18:20:01 01/05/10 Re: AMS vs. Ebay Manifold Debate....Case Closed - zdoc 20:35:53 01/04/10 my popcorn's getting cold waiting for honzrr to set the - Gizmo 22:40:35 01/04/10 he was banned (n/m) - aliaZ 22:46:27 01/04/10 dang...I was wondering why he's been quiet (n/m) - Gizmo 22:49:21 01/04/10 And thank God for that. - BigTDogg (MA) 23:16:22 01/04/10 Nice work Mitch, if you can or want to post this over at 3ZC - BigTDogg (MA) 23:14:08 01/04/10 Re: Nice work Mitch, if you can or want to post this over at 3ZC - Tech@EPR 23:16:56 01/04/10 Imagine that, freedom to approach a question logically - BigTDogg (MA) 23:23:20 01/04/10 Next thing you are going to tell us is that Jerry Jones - LJZTT 23:19:10 01/04/10 Hopefully IPP will let your customer return the AMS manis - Piranha(PHX) 23:25:54 01/04/10 Re: Hopefully IPP will let your customer return the AMS manis - Tech@EPR 23:47:06 01/04/10 To Bernies point, we need to know what these AMS/Ebay manis - Turnerscasa (Dallas) 07:56:04 01/05/10 I don't see an issue with this comparison, nor do I see - BigTDogg (MA) 08:01:58 01/05/10 Lock washers on an exhaust manifold Is a big NO No (n/m) - the80proof 01:01:42 01/05/10 Why? (n/m) - zgene4 08:28:52 01/05/10 the heat (n/m) - Seb@Specialty-Z 13:45:06 01/05/10 What does the heat do to lock washers? I just installed - Mr.Stacy 15:12:58 01/05/10 hot/cold cycles cause them to loose the "spring" and negate - Bernie (NoVA) 16:00:20 01/05/10 Thanks you for your imput - induetime 01:52:04 01/05/10 Does anyone have milage on either of these inferior items? - Turbodog (CT) 06:35:15 01/05/10 Your Titan exhaust manifolds are welded steel, not cast. (n/m) - Barry(TN) 08:33:25 01/05/10 Your Titan manifolds are not cast manifolds. - nissanguyz32 08:53:16 01/05/10 No kidding?! Never looked at them close enough to see - Turbodog (CT) 17:06:01 01/05/10 As expected. Sad Vuk...very sad Vuk - collegeboy 10:35:05 01/05/10 2nd. This is all Vuk'd up IMO (n/m) - ConVerTT 10:45:32 01/05/10 LoL. Dang it, It's all Vuk'd up now. (n/m) - Mallz 11:35:32 01/05/10 :) - ZiNnYc 14:37:34 01/05/10 Where did they ship from? (n/m) - 550HPTT 14:59:51 01/05/10 Local, Rockville Centre NY. - ZiNnYc 15:06:15 01/05/10 Any links to current auctions or past? - Evan(CA) 16:26:52 01/05/10 looks like ~200 pages for eworldsales1 - 93DemonCar 16:55:35 01/05/10 Re: Any links to current auctions or past? - Guapo 17:00:13 01/05/10 We'll see how long it lasts over there... - Z_Cherub 15:29:12 01/05/10 Re: We'll see how long it lasts over there... - ybnormal70 19:35:08 01/05/10 Re: Re: We'll see how long it lasts over there... - Tech@EPR 20:50:30 01/05/10 Re: Re: Re: We'll see how long it lasts over there... - jschrauwen 00:23:38 01/06/10 That would be an incorrect assumption on your part. - jschrauwen 00:16:34 01/06/10 Re: We'll see how long it lasts over there... - pencerules 19:38:44 01/05/10 The mods don't help when they close threads rather than - BigTDogg (MA) 12:08:06 01/06/10 What's so sad they are making bank on these. - AZHeat 17:19:26 01/05/10 you can't compare diesel to gasoline (n/m) - ZLover4Life 19:15:41 01/05/10 You are right. Diesel makes 2 lbs of torque for - AZHeat 23:57:49 01/05/10 that, and... - ZLover4Life 22:59:21 01/07/10 maybe you should sell your Z then? (n/m) - aliaZ 18:10:14 01/06/10 Re: maybe you should sell your Z then? - AZHeat 19:22:11 01/06/10 !!! Sorry to hear about that (n/m) - aliaZ 20:04:18 01/06/10 Well, Thanks, Anyways.. - AZHeat 21:37:00 01/06/10 In summary, this is what can be said about the manifolds - BigTDogg (MA) 12:37:50 01/06/10 Damn ur Z is nice and cleeeeann (n/m) - KongZTT GT28RS MD 07:37:31 01/07/10 Thanks man, it's a labor of love :-) (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 09:59:42 01/07/10 Very entertaining yet, as usual, informative post. (n/m) - inferno 13:51:46 01/07/10
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