Subject The CZP R&D department strikes again!
Posted by Russell@Z1 on December 15, 2008 at 11:11 AM
This message has been viewed 5 times.Message Z1 Russell (12:38:01 PM): hello Conceptzp (12:38:07 PM): yes sir Z1 Russell (12:38:13 PM): [ http://www.conceptzperformance.com/Cart/description.php?II=859&Car_Type=300&UID ] Z1 Russell (12:38:25 PM): so you've straight up copied our turbo kits? Z1 Russell (12:38:37 PM): all the brackets and flanges I mean Z1 Russell (12:38:57 PM): we have hundreds of hours in those getting just the right fitments Z1 Russell (12:39:23 PM): we didn't just go out and copy anyone , we could have just went out and had the hardware JWT uses made Z1 Russell (12:39:31 PM): it's so much easier that way, but we decided to make ours better. Conceptzp (12:40:24 PM): i'll explain in a sec Z1 Russell (12:55:43 PM): Since you have been buying our kits for a couple years now you are aware of their evolution and all the work we have put into continuing to improve them. At this point they are the best fitting and performing Z32 turbo kits on the market, with all the conveneinces added in. I can see why you would have ours copied over the JWT. Z1 Russell (12:57:06 PM): There have been quite a few items that you sell ,that I could have easily had made and killed you on the price on long ago. However I have absolutely refrained from touching that stuff just as I have a lot of other manufactures products in the Z32 community. Z1 Russell (12:58:16 PM): Fact is we never straight up copy anyones products, we do sometimes bring out something comparable but I make sure we make some changes and improvements and bring it out at a better value. Z1 Russell (1:01:40 PM): And we usually only get involved if a particular supplier has issues with not being able to provide adequate supply to meet demand, or if something is priced outrageously. Under these circumstances competition is good for the community regardless of the what the particular group of idiots on TT.net has to say about it. Z1 Russell (1:02:28 PM): However Z1 does not take another well known and respected vendors products and carbon copy them. Z1 Russell (1:03:30 PM): I'm extremely dissapointed and awaiting your response. Conceptzp (1:06:03 PM): hey sorry about that Conceptzp (1:06:18 PM): ok, none of your turbos were used in the actual production of the turbos direct turbos Conceptzp (1:06:26 PM): we sent a engine w/ manifolds to turbos direct Conceptzp (1:06:30 PM): they did all the manufacturing Conceptzp (1:07:05 PM): The kits are different as you can see we used elbows and you guys welded your reclocked flange Conceptzp (1:07:21 PM): i must admit, the inlet flange is similar, but was not a direct copy Conceptzp (1:07:38 PM): they probably saw a picture of your and said that was good idea Conceptzp (1:07:54 PM): which is a very easy bracket to make Conceptzp (1:08:27 PM): i'm very sorry to give you the wrong impression Conceptzp (1:08:30 PM): but they are not a copy Conceptzp (1:09:03 PM): but i understand where you are coming from Conceptzp (1:09:12 PM): and I will have them change it Z1 Russell (1:09:18 PM): the wastegate brakets are EXACTLY the same, those wastegate brackets are a carbon copy and if you tell me their not, your lying Z1 Russell (1:09:41 PM): no one would ever come up with that exact wastegate bracket on their own Conceptzp (1:09:45 PM): i can't say if they are exactly the same Conceptzp (1:09:48 PM): because I didn't do it Z1 Russell (1:09:51 PM): too many different ways to make it Conceptzp (1:09:56 PM): nor did I send them any turbos to make it happen Z1 Russell (1:10:00 PM): and ours is very unique Conceptzp (1:10:19 PM): I'll have a talk with them and see how they got that design Z1 Russell (1:10:19 PM): ok whatever Conceptzp (1:10:48 PM): I would not lie to you, please trust me, i had no part in the design at all Conceptzp (1:11:08 PM): I never looked further into the brackets, I will get on it for you Conceptzp (1:11:14 PM): please don't get angry Conceptzp (1:25:22 PM): I'm going to remove that item from online until I get a clear answer on this for you, very sorry for the hassle Conceptzp (1:26:22 PM): item has been removed Z1 Russell (1:30:56 PM): so who did the design and who makes them for you? Turbos Direct? Conceptzp (1:31:30 PM): I'm getting all those details for you right now Conceptzp (1:32:12 PM): they better not be copies, because that's not what I signed up for Z1 Russell (1:33:11 PM): who is providing you with the flanges and brackets? I'm sure you know the answer to that question off the top of your head Z1 Russell (1:33:29 PM): I'm assuming Turbos Direct Z1 Russell (1:34:34 PM): tough question huh? Conceptzp (1:35:09 PM): not at all, getting the info as soon as I can Z1 Russell (1:36:01 PM): lol, you already know who you are buying that stuff from Conceptzp (1:36:37 PM): please don't assume things Conceptzp (1:37:29 PM): Turbos Direct is the turbo supplier Conceptzp (1:37:45 PM): still getting info on who made the adjustments for them Conceptzp (1:37:54 PM): turbos direct did not make the brackets Z1 Russell (1:38:39 PM): LOL, I've already talked to Turbos Direct on the phone a few minutes ago and they were clear with me that you buy the basic turbos from them and you have the brackets and flanges made and put them together yourself. Z1 Russell (1:38:50 PM): So this is a flat out lie
"Conceptzp (1:06:26 PM): we sent a engine w/ manifolds to turbos direct
Conceptzp (1:06:30 PM): they did all the manufacturing" Z1 Russell (1:39:15 PM): Just fess up man, tell me you don't give a damn, and for me to go screw myself. It would be much more admirable than this silly circle you are going in right now. Russell Floyd Z1 Motorsports
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