Subject	As it stands now,
Posted by	Z_Cherub on June 25, 2008 at 9:35 AM
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In Reply To	The benefits of ethanol are highly questionable also, when posted by zellamay on June 25, 2008 at 09:24 AM
Message	(if I remember the numbers correctly) it seems to take ~a gallon of gasoline to make and ship a gallon of ethanol, it takes ~1700 gallons of water per gallon of ethanol to produce it, and it increases the price of crops and corn-fed livestock as the demand for corn etc. goes up. Benefits?
Follow Ups	HHO/Hydro Fuel conversion in a Z yet? - tsm2a 08:39:17 06/25/08 Re: HHO/Hydro Fuel conversion in a Z yet? - Z_Cherub 08:49:41 06/25/08 The only problems I see with it... - Waggz 09:12:11 06/25/08 Like ethanol? (n/m) - Z_Cherub 09:20:13 06/25/08 The benefits of ethanol are highly questionable also, when - zellamay 09:24:22 06/25/08 As it stands now, - Z_Cherub 09:35:12 06/25/08 Ethanol is the dragon in Heroin Hero (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 16:39:20 06/25/08 Good invention >>>> - 300ZMang 09:41:20 06/25/08 Where does it go after absorbtion? Is the end result still - Z_Cherub 09:44:31 06/25/08 Well yes, of course it would have to be safe in order - 300ZMang 10:59:07 06/25/08 ... - Z_Cherub 11:05:49 06/25/08 I meant safe for the environment and safe meaning - 300ZMang 12:10:46 06/25/08 ... - rufflez 11:58:06 06/25/08 It would be like Viagara for Z's - 300ZMang 12:12:07 06/25/08 As I said in the other thread, regardless of what everyone - Jinjiro 09:52:34 06/25/08 The only way it might possibly work is that the water vapour - olyar15 12:11:51 06/25/08 While I do agree that driving conservatively is a huge - Jinjiro 12:55:20 06/25/08 Its called a confirmation bias, mixed with the embarassment - Keaner 14:23:57 06/25/08 it's a scam (n/m) - aliaZ 09:39:59 06/25/08 On THIS forum, we obey the LAWS of Thermodynamics! (n/m) - Keaner 11:56:43 06/25/08 It has nothing to do with the laws of thermodynamics. - Jinjiro 12:58:23 06/25/08 He IS claiming more energy out than in. - Keaner 14:19:14 06/25/08 Please provide links. (n/m) - AZHeat 14:32:51 06/25/08 Short googling says: - Keaner 14:45:58 06/25/08 Here's my question, and I sincerely don't know the answer: - Jinjiro 14:32:57 06/25/08 Yes, an alternator is harder to turn with load - Keaner 14:42:55 06/25/08 Thanks for clearing that up. (n/m) - Jinjiro 14:48:08 06/25/08 it's claimed at least a 20% mpg increase. (n/m) - SuparexTT 10:21:01 06/26/08 Yes, it takes more torque to turn an alternator - AZHeat 14:53:04 06/25/08 Looks like you snagged two fish with the Simpsons quote - SeedyROM 13:03:40 06/25/08 Re: Looks like you snagged two fish with the Simpsons quote - AZHeat 13:37:30 06/25/08 Based on AZHeat's past, he doesn't surprise me, - Keaner 14:20:48 06/25/08 Who? (n/m) - SeedyROM 14:23:02 06/25/08 AZHeat has been fairly gullible/foolish here before - Keaner 14:26:10 06/25/08 I'm not so much defending it as I am intrigued. I was very - Jinjiro 14:35:35 06/25/08 It doesn't work, its been proven over and over that it wont. (n/m) - Keaner 14:39:19 06/25/08 You haven't yet provided link for HHO conversion - AZHeat 14:47:47 06/25/08 I did a quick googling above-- - Keaner 14:49:29 06/25/08 Well when it doesn't work I will be sure to let you know I - Jinjiro 14:51:47 06/25/08 Introducing more than very small amounts of hydrogen - Keaner 14:59:37 06/25/08 I read up on hydrogen embrittlement, but as you said the - Jinjiro 15:06:36 06/25/08 FYI- I think when mythbusters did the hydrogen thing - Keaner 15:09:20 06/25/08 Did you ever see the one where they replicated the - AZHeat 15:20:50 06/25/08 Never heard of him (n/m) - SeedyROM 14:56:31 06/25/08 He's the one that kicks your teeth in when you - AZHeat 15:28:26 06/25/08 Darn, who pissed in your corn flakes this morning? (n/m) - Keaner 16:15:01 06/25/08 Hey ass wipe! I am not falling for it. I am open - AZHeat 14:30:34 06/25/08 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermodynamics (n/m) - Keaner 14:39:43 06/25/08 your mind is so open that all intelligent thought leaked out (n/m) - ZEngineer 14:45:35 06/25/08 Don't quit your so called "Engineer" day job. Shall I - AZHeat 14:56:23 06/25/08 I'm as prone to asking dumb questions as anyone else - ZEngineer 15:00:46 06/25/08 Good,the STFU. Mister,"I ask stupid engineer type questions" (n/m) - AZHeat 15:14:06 06/25/08 *yawn* (n/m) - ZEngineer 15:18:10 06/25/08 That is such a childish reply, even a 3rd grader would be - Dave N 15:21:18 06/25/08 That's a gem of a statement right there... - PennStateZ (VA) 15:25:26 06/25/08 Look here... - Barry (NJ) 09:41:05 06/26/08 There is already a running vehicles who are on it. - AZHeat 12:46:02 06/25/08 Where are these "running vehicles" ? Who is the "inventor"? - zellamay 13:16:58 06/25/08 I'm not sure what he was referring to, but the devices I am - Jinjiro 13:27:07 06/25/08 Re: Where are these "running vehicles" ? Who is the "inventor"? - Llamaz 13:30:51 06/25/08 Here on you tube, He is also developing a HUMMER for the - AZHeat 13:35:22 06/25/08 "Forget presenting my findings to National Geographics - ZEngineer 14:48:54 06/25/08 Yep, demanding proof of why it doesn't work, - Keaner 14:51:46 06/25/08 I never said it worked . I was open to the idea. Your - AZHeat 14:54:30 06/25/08 A- That wiki article is dead-accurate, if you can find - Keaner 14:56:47 06/25/08 Tell him to reference his thermo book if he doesn't like it. (n/m) - PennStateZ (VA) 15:13:12 06/25/08 let's play: Find the flaw - ZEngineer 14:58:23 06/25/08 I am stating what is on the news clip dumb ass! - AZHeat 15:11:24 06/25/08 cool, so when are you going to try it and get back to us? (n/m) - ZEngineer 15:18:56 06/25/08 That company is local to me. I will do some more research - AZHeat 15:22:19 06/25/08 "to hear a duck quack, press 2" (n/m) - zfreak(Dallas) 18:50:20 06/25/08 Makes sense... - BradZ (FL) 14:54:05 06/25/08 you all seem to be doubting the hydrogen/gas setup. - SuparexTT 10:15:55 06/26/08
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