Subject	testing without a gasket and head does not make sense
Posted by	gt300zxtt on June 11, 2008 at 1:47 PM
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In Reply To	But I wish I had got the AMS one's. posted by jschrauwen on June 11, 2008 at 05:15 AM
Message	the ports/openings are probably over gasket matched sized, and flow more independently, but flow worse in actual application due to turbulence. who cares what they flow like by themselves? you are using them on a car with heads, exhaust valves, and gaskets!
Follow Ups	AMS vs. MSP Results - na300zx (OH) 21:07:52 06/10/08 I'm glad I have the MSP mani's. (n/m) - jschrauwen 21:20:13 06/10/08 But I wish I had got the AMS one's. - jschrauwen 05:15:34 06/11/08 hey, I think you have something dribbling off your chin.... (n/m) - Furb (NoVa) 09:10:39 06/11/08 testing without a gasket and head does not make sense - gt300zxtt 13:47:28 06/11/08 Exactly my thoughts - na300zx (OH) 15:11:47 06/11/08 why wouldnt you? (n/m) - zyoulater 17:44:30 06/11/08 cost $$ (n/m) - jschrauwen 22:45:03 06/11/08 Thanks for making the effort. - Bezza 21:30:03 06/10/08 I only mentioned it because AMS mentioned that they didn't - na300zx (OH) 22:26:37 06/10/08 "It shouldn't amke a difference"? - Then we won't know. - jschrauwen 05:24:14 06/11/08 I am curious what you think of the AMS tests then - na300zx (OH) 14:44:00 06/11/08 A bit more believable since this one is incomplete. (n/m) - jschrauwen 22:48:12 06/11/08 Well, using your same logic that says my test is irrelevant - na300zx (OH) 04:12:22 06/12/08 Thanks for putting all of that work into a comparison! - Z_Cherub 21:37:58 06/10/08 Thanks for your time.. Ill stick with MSP :) (n/m) - fst300zx 21:42:00 06/10/08 second. - Alan(NJ/MD) 22:04:07 06/10/08 3rd. There was/is no choice other than MSP. (n/m) - Tu 22:12:25 06/10/08 Cliffs: - ni[X]it 21:46:10 06/10/08 Plot of results - Bezza 21:59:27 06/10/08 The 'made in china' casting slowed the air a bit. (n/m) - dpjax 22:07:38 06/10/08 Thanks for doing the testing:) - induetime 21:58:34 06/10/08 David did a really fine job of performing an unbiased test. - kkrofft (OH) 22:11:04 06/10/08 Thanks for coming and taking a couple pics Kory (n/m) - na300zx (OH) 22:17:37 06/10/08 so no real flow advantage...weird - aliaZ 22:12:16 06/10/08 i bet my Pittsburgh sockets from harbor freight are stronger (n/m) - Halo Z 22:32:15 06/10/08 Perhaps na300zx (OH) can answer that for you - jschrauwen 22:43:44 06/10/08 Honest question... - LJZTT 17:42:56 06/11/08 it isn't so much the style of manifold, but the materials - aliaZ 20:21:17 06/11/08 I'm glad I chose the MSP headers as well. - RICH1 22:34:10 06/10/08 You go man! Awesome...Thanks for doing these tests! (n/m) - twinturbineZ 22:36:45 06/10/08 2nd (n/m) - Piranha(AZ) 03:27:24 06/11/08 Appreciate the followup (n/m) - SeedyROM 22:44:26 06/10/08 Thank you. (n/m) - Bernie (NoVA) 22:50:16 06/10/08 nice...thanks (n/m) - Spee 22:52:03 06/10/08 thanks for taking your time to test them.I would be - blacktwin 22:57:01 06/10/08 Am I missing something? - Waggz 23:09:57 06/10/08 I just found out on my 3zc thread that Vuk had them tested - na300zx (OH) 23:17:43 06/10/08 That's what I figured. - Waggz 23:25:42 06/10/08 Thank you (n/m) - ae300z 23:17:42 06/10/08 good thing the AMS are cheaper :/ - vorpalZ 23:47:02 06/10/08 lol, complete waste of time (n/m) - LJZTT 00:06:03 06/11/08 Good work, thanks for the report. - Scotts94z32 00:32:20 06/11/08 your test is useless and a complete waste of time (n/m) - z32_driver 01:14:23 06/11/08 An you are a stupid American. (n/m) - Eishozzzz 06:27:41 06/11/08 what is your problem? (n/m) - aliaZ 07:03:55 06/11/08 so are you (n/m) - ZEngineer 09:11:34 06/11/08 And you're a poster child for birth control (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 11:39:58 06/11/08 (Total Hits: 4,461). (n/m) - Spongerider :) 11:53:17 06/11/08 I kindof wish you had flow tested the manifolds by - Ash's Z 01:21:10 06/11/08 So Passenger 1 = cyl. #2 and Driver 1 = cyl. #1? - Bezza 02:02:40 06/11/08 true - but to compare a back to back test on the same head - The Devils Z 02:03:41 06/11/08 Ash, you took the words right out of my mouth. - jschrauwen 05:27:40 06/11/08 Oh shut the fumk up man, you don't even know what he said - BigTDogg (MA) 11:42:01 06/11/08 ROFL (n/m) - zyoulater 17:46:41 06/11/08 That's precisely why your posts are deleted on 3ZC. - jschrauwen 22:53:54 06/11/08 so immature, right? - aliaZ 23:33:11 06/11/08 Actually, dunno about you, but I type with my fingers - BigTDogg (MA) 09:27:50 06/12/08 While I agree with you, this testing does illustrate an - aliaZ 07:00:23 06/11/08 agreed (n/m) - The Devils Z 08:30:38 06/11/08 It illustrates one thing only. - jschrauwen 08:36:27 06/11/08 Just remember. They're laughing AT you, not with you. (n/m) - Guapo 10:08:19 06/11/08 Laughter is a good thing. It sure beats the name calling. (n/m) - jschrauwen 10:35:11 06/11/08 Actually - this is a good test and details a few things: - The Devils Z 11:42:14 06/11/08 2nd (holy crap) (n/m) - Guapo 11:49:40 06/11/08 Well said (n/m) - SeedyROM 12:14:12 06/11/08 Having heads that are ported and have 1mm os valves - na300zx (OH) 14:49:09 06/11/08 My biggest qualm with flowtesting using a head is that the - Ash's Z 15:09:21 06/11/08 There was no difference in valve lift - na300zx (OH) 15:17:33 06/11/08 Hi David, I'm not questioning the ability of those - Ash's Z 18:16:20 06/11/08 Agreed, somewhat, but the OP's test is flawed - jschrauwen 23:00:41 06/11/08 how is his test flawed again? (n/m) - aliaZ 23:26:19 06/11/08 what, no dixie cups and 2x4's this time? (n/m) - genic 09:09:35 06/11/08 You bought two sets of manifolds why? (n/m) - AZHeat 02:05:25 06/11/08 One set is for his Moms car :) (n/m) - Piranha(AZ) 03:26:31 06/11/08 Were you expecting an honest answer? (n/m) - jschrauwen 08:38:14 06/11/08 What's that supposed to mean? - na300zx (OH) 14:55:10 06/11/08 because apparently the phone call to verify the test results - LJZTT 12:21:29 06/11/08 This test cost me exactly $0 - na300zx (OH) 15:03:37 06/11/08 ....aside from the price of two manifolds - LJZTT 17:03:57 06/11/08 Lol, unbelievable. - na300zx (OH) 17:45:51 06/11/08 first off I don't spend nearly enough time here to follow - LJZTT 18:36:09 06/11/08 Look on AMS' graph and show me where it says how they - na300zx (OH) 04:34:49 06/12/08 Re: Look on AMS' graph and show me where it says how they - LJZTT 08:56:16 06/12/08 It's fun to see you grasp at straws. The fact that my - na300zx (OH) 14:48:06 06/12/08 that's your excuse for this? I am angry and taking it out on - LJZTT 17:01:52 06/12/08 A better Example than his: - Keaner 17:57:58 06/11/08 Wow... Someone who gets it! (n/m) - na300zx (OH) 18:01:19 06/11/08 why don't you call the shop and ask how you can trust their - LJZTT 18:14:07 06/11/08 I mean since we already know AMS is a devious sinister - LJZTT 18:49:31 06/11/08 20% is "diminiscule"? (n/m) - na300zx (OH) 04:27:27 06/12/08 red herring....again, nice try - LJZTT 08:37:42 06/12/08 Look again at cylinder #6 - na300zx (OH) 15:04:16 06/12/08 basketball...mentally challenged....double dribble.....you - LJZTT 17:29:38 06/12/08 Let's see... - na300zx (OH) 18:18:13 06/12/08 walks like a duck, talks like a duck...it's a duck - LJZTT 18:26:55 06/12/08 Did you happen to miss the thread immediately - na300zx (OH) 18:39:14 06/12/08 *sigh* - LJZTT 22:11:38 06/12/08 And... - na300zx (OH) 18:37:20 06/12/08 This has all been covered, you offer nothing with this test - LJZTT 22:31:21 06/12/08 "I was buying two sets of manifolds anyway" ROFL (n/m) - AZHeat 01:13:20 06/12/08 Well done. - eriksu9 08:03:47 06/11/08 Here is an old post of mine with Pentroof manifolds - Carlos Ramirez 08:07:15 06/11/08 Here is a good old post about flows on different manifolds - Carlos Ramirez 08:10:57 06/11/08 Why aren't these 2 very popular here? If they flow so well, - Yoshi 09:07:37 06/11/08 expensive mostly - Carlos Ramirez 09:15:56 06/11/08 How much did they cost? It doesn't look to be available - ThunderZ 21:12:17 06/11/08 Re: How much did they cost? It doesn't look to be available - Carlos Ramirez 22:22:35 06/11/08 Thanks for the time and effort you put forth here. - Hawkin"Z" 11:32:57 06/11/08 Nice work, but that first picture really pisses me off (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 11:44:12 06/11/08 Re: AMS vs. MSP Results - Vuk@Absolute Motorsports Inc. 11:46:27 06/11/08 What up rip off artist and e-thug! (n/m) - Spongerider :) 12:05:24 06/11/08 Go go spin-master V - SeedyROM 12:11:52 06/11/08 Was it you that deleted all my posts today over at 300zxclub - Piranha(AZ) 12:29:55 06/11/08 my thoughts confirmed ... - The Devils Z 13:18:19 06/11/08 2nd!!! - gt300zxtt 14:11:16 06/11/08 Puh-lease - BigTDogg (MA) 15:17:58 06/11/08 Just fyi, the numbers would be lower than yours - na300zx (OH) 15:25:14 06/11/08 Request here, why dont you video tape jschrauwen humping yo - zyoulater 18:03:43 06/11/08 LOL - jschrauwen 23:09:11 06/11/08 beautiful spelling! Canadian EDJAMACATION for ya! (n/m) - amp300zx 10:58:49 06/12/08 Thanks for taking the time to run the test. (n/m) - SeanK (StL) 12:01:14 06/11/08 Thanks for your time and effort! (n/m) - TT XTZ 12:08:51 06/11/08 ... - HicasZ 14:22:11 06/11/08 Can I get a loan from you since you have the means - AZHeat 20:07:03 06/11/08 hes an auto tech student - gt300zxtt 20:34:42 06/11/08 I'm sure all auto tech students purchase two sents - AZHeat 21:17:39 06/11/08 Erm why couldn't he sell them? - Bezza 22:48:58 06/11/08 I guess you missed the point (n/m) - AZHeat 01:00:38 06/12/08 how is your oil pan coming? - gt300zxtt 07:38:40 06/12/08 don't hold your breath - LJZTT 18:11:07 06/12/08 why would you need a loan? - aliaZ 23:28:42 06/11/08 Collegeboy and I wipe our asses with $100 bills for TP. - AZHeat 01:10:31 06/12/08 beware of paper cuts - aliaZ 09:20:26 06/12/08 provide links please. I don't follow everyone's post - AZHeat 09:25:55 06/12/08 It doesn't matter why he bought them, though if he had no - LJZTT 17:08:50 06/12/08 So just because I didn't offer my interpretation - na300zx (OH) 18:13:10 06/12/08 Re: So just because I didn't offer my interpretation - LJZTT 18:23:23 06/12/08 Yeah. Do you want an explanation? (n/m) - na300zx (OH) 18:30:07 06/12/08
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