Subject	you forgot the 3rd, most important, step to the GB process.
Posted by	Spee on May 18, 2008 at 7:55 PM
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In Reply To	everyone knows how a group buy works ...money upfront posted by The Devils Z on May 18, 2008 at 06:52 AM
Message	1. Money up front 2. Orders are placed 3. Products are shipped In the event the products are not immediately available, or need to be shipped at a later date, most trustworthy vendors will not charge the customer's card until the product is shipping. Ash used the GB money to actually manufacture the product. That is poor business practice, and poor ethics. He's extremely lucky his customers did not ask for refunds months after they had not received product. I know I sure as hell would have. Later, Spencer AIM: sbsTT14 PETZ member #4 '91 300ZX TT Stage V+ '96 Jeep Cherokee Sport "also tired of ppl driving in a straight line for 1/4 mile and thinkin they're hot shit" - hey GotBo0st 22:17:26 09/26/04 "Moral of my night, fucking young people who inheret money, and dont know shit, but think they do are dumb fucks." - suprakillinz 02:37:37 07/02/05 "You are stupidier than dirt." - AzHeat 21:23:10 08/05/04 "Welcome, and I'd listen to Spee" - BigTDogg (MA) 18:21:41 02/17/04 "SCORE: Spee=1 The rest of us=0 (n/m)" - jaymztt(seWA) 19:17:12 07/23/04
Follow Ups	Tuning in New Jersey... - rmm299 13:47:27 05/17/08 Re: Tuning in New Jersey... - FuerGrissa 13:54:02 05/17/08 Easy risk-free way to form your own opinion: - BigTDogg (MA) 14:00:53 05/17/08 Re: Easy risk-free way to form your own opinion: - FuerGrissa 14:22:59 05/17/08 If you have the capacity to be an objective person - LJZTT 15:59:08 05/17/08 Actually, his skepticism is an indication of his objectivity - Guapo 16:06:30 05/17/08 *sigh*......whatever - LJZTT 16:16:33 05/17/08 I think that's was the point. - ni[X]it 16:19:52 05/17/08 No doubt (n/m) - LJZTT 16:26:08 05/17/08 He is confused because he has seen the fanboyism and the - Guapo 16:26:12 05/17/08 No, he is confused because he doesn't know if Ash is - LJZTT 16:52:47 05/17/08 Re: No, he is confused because he doesn't know if Ash is - Guapo 17:35:01 05/17/08 I didn't spend much time here when the whole fracas - LJZTT 18:13:06 05/17/08 I've never had any doubts about his abilities. - Guapo 19:06:13 05/17/08 where have u seen issues with ethics + trustworthiness ? (n/m) - The Devils Z 19:11:47 05/17/08 sigh. How long did people wait for IC piping? (n/m) - Guapo 19:13:54 05/17/08 point taken ...everyone did get them ..albeit significantly - The Devils Z 19:21:59 05/17/08 when he took the money up front, IMO it goes to ethics. (n/m) - Guapo 19:27:44 05/17/08 no --that's business practice ... it's ethics if he didn't - The Devils Z 21:23:35 05/17/08 Business practice and ethics go hand in hand. He used - Guapo 22:39:03 05/17/08 everyone knows how a group buy works ...money upfront - The Devils Z 06:52:45 05/18/08 you forgot the 3rd, most important, step to the GB process. - Spee 19:55:28 05/18/08 How do you know everyone got them? - SactoTodd 23:08:50 05/17/08 im leaning more towards his bitch ? just a guess.. (n/m) - genic 23:35:30 05/17/08 Todd ----ball is in your court - The Devils Z 11:45:34 05/18/08 LOL, nice strawman. How about you post the tracking - boileralum 12:44:39 05/18/08 I'm not going to play this game where I prove every - The Devils Z 17:02:00 05/18/08 Re-read Todd's post. He asked how you know every - boileralum 19:00:38 05/18/08 YOU started the game. - Spee 19:59:40 05/18/08 LOL... to avoid the questions. - Spee 19:57:43 05/18/08 I had a local customer of mine just call me - Seb (specialty-Z) 21:48:51 05/18/08 Thanks Seb - this is how the game works -state a point - The Devils Z 22:14:54 05/18/08 ROFL. Your game has succeeded in showing how much - Spee 22:42:32 05/18/08 lol (n/m) - The Devils Z 12:36:27 05/19/08 I love it when you know you're wrong and have no reply. - Spee 22:34:31 05/19/08 lol .... I made my point several posts ago .. cliff notes .. - The Devils Z 10:37:46 05/20/08 you haven't had a point in years. (n/m) - Spee 21:51:17 05/20/08 Reliability, trustworthiness and ethics take TIME to repair - SeedyROM 14:02:36 05/18/08 Well then that brings me to my point, why not let Ash tune - LJZTT 12:06:45 05/19/08 Thank you (n/m) - The Devils Z 12:43:46 05/19/08 Just a guess, correct me if I'm wrong here... - SeedyROM 13:51:05 05/19/08 nope -- not true --- nice guess though --talk to your - The Devils Z 15:45:36 05/19/08 Could you be a little more specific? - SeedyROM 21:32:00 05/19/08 I have a hat just for you. - Spongerider :) 15:28:40 05/19/08 I'll tell you exactly why - SeedyROM 13:48:19 05/19/08 That's right, no response. Exactly what I expected. (n/m) - SeedyROM 21:31:08 05/19/08 Good lord, settle down Beavis, try to imagine that TTnet is - LJZTT 15:49:21 05/20/08 Where have you been? There are enough reviews from - Spongerider :) 15:22:01 05/19/08 and another possibility is that he is confused because - The Devils Z 17:16:32 05/17/08 LOL. An objectivity argument? You? C'mon. (n/m) - Guapo 17:38:17 05/17/08 I proposed no argument except to support your facts - The Devils Z 18:10:15 05/17/08 perhaps you could point out the ... hang on... let me - Guapo 19:31:25 05/17/08 stick the point -- what are your personal experiences ? .. - The Devils Z 21:45:27 05/17/08 seriously? stop it. - Spee 22:08:57 05/17/08 this says it all and is an intelligent response .. - The Devils Z 06:48:32 05/18/08 Libel would be saying that he killed my dog, when he didn't. - Guapo 22:41:07 05/17/08 libel is not saying anything --that is slander .... - The Devils Z 11:42:40 05/18/08 Don't take it so personal. You are the one who is over the - Guapo 12:15:31 05/18/08 Libel is putting a known false statement into writing, - boileralum 12:52:14 05/18/08 lol...ugh - Spee 17:45:40 05/17/08 what personal experience do you have with Ash and his - The Devils Z 18:11:04 05/17/08 your reading comprehension still leaves a lot to be desired. - Spee 21:46:15 05/17/08 name two people that you have witnessed him dyno tune? (n/m) - The Devils Z 06:45:14 05/18/08 I was standing right next to Spencer at a Delaware ECZA - boileralum 12:49:56 05/18/08 Thank you for facts !!! ..this is what adds value and what - The Devils Z 17:03:52 05/18/08 Well, the only one I really cared much about was Randy's sin - boileralum 19:09:40 05/18/08 I remember that day .. the specifics were that it was - The Devils Z 22:24:28 05/18/08 I answered your question as to whether Spee had ever - boileralum 23:38:40 05/18/08 ..ugh -- so what was wrong with the tuning ? (n/m) - The Devils Z 12:38:03 05/19/08 13.1 a/f (n/m) - Spongerider :) 13:34:43 05/19/08 That is how it went down - ImTheDevil 11:29:09 05/19/08 ...ugh... the dyno was a dynopak I believe is the name - The Devils Z 12:40:08 05/19/08 You have a sketchy memory at best.... - ImTheDevil 13:14:14 05/19/08 Affirmative - heard the story this very weekend - TT XTZ 17:49:13 05/19/08 Funny, I was texting with him while making the post (n/m) - ImTheDevil 22:33:58 05/19/08 Heh - then there was the bit about the ECU... (n/m) - TT XTZ 11:22:27 05/20/08 shrug ... locking the torque convertor is important - The Devils Z 22:04:46 05/19/08 yup... (n/m) - Spee 19:11:41 05/18/08 *speak - Spee 16:21:30 05/17/08 look under Events page, June 28th, Wilmington, DE. - robo (sebring1970) 14:21:46 05/17/08 Yea, I e-mailed Devlis Z and plan on going, but I wanted to - rmm299 14:30:52 05/17/08 Admin put the post back up in classified after VTD - The Devils Z 14:56:40 05/17/08 you are an example of the ever elusive SmartNewb. - Spee 16:20:18 05/17/08 and you are the example of the ever rampant DoucheBag - ZiNnYc 00:29:23 05/18/08 lol...you want to talk pathetic? - Spee 19:34:31 05/18/08 A picture of a woman =/= my security. Attend college. - ZiNnYc 00:29:31 05/19/08 Isn't that what you just did? - Spongerider :) 14:57:24 05/19/08
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