Subject	Oh and by the way, I have no problem with
Posted by	Only1Z on March 09, 2008 at 7:43 PM
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In Reply To	Russell, you just don't seem to get it... posted by Only1Z on March 09, 2008 at 07:29 PM
Message	product competition. However, I do have a problem with copied products. It is VERY obvious that AMS copied the MS manifolds. There is no ingenuity in that and it's complete horse crap. If they did their own research and developed their own product and had it made in China, that's fine. I could care less. But if they take someone else's product, someone who did all the research and development, spent time and money to do so, and is an avid Z nut like you claim to be, I have a huge problem with that. I have a huge problem with the ethics involved at AMS. There is no balance of ethics and business there as you say goes into your decision-making process at Z1. It's flat out wrong and you should NOT support such actions assuming you want to run an ethical and respectful business. If AMS started from scratch and did research and development, then that is one thing. But both you and I know that's not what happened. They copied the product and that's the bottom line. You can sugar coat it all you want, call it what you want, but at the end of the day, they copied the product. I have no respect for that. I would say the same thing if you developed a product and someone did the same thing to you. It wouldn't be fair to you just like it's not fair to Mike Smith. I just wanted to point that out. Everyone here wants product competition as it's best for the consumer. But we don't want copied products by unethical people. I could go and do that easily if I didn't have any class, but I don't. AMS did and that's not right. TTZMatt: did i ever think id be the guy to sell the z or go kart? TTZMatt: no TTZMatt: but now that ive found true love, i dont care about it anymore TTZMatt: lol - TTZMatt 10/19/07 "It's a little longer and skinnier than the one i bought." - TTZMatt on 10/22/06
Follow Ups	Z1 response to the thread that was just removed. - Russell@Z1 15:42:49 03/09/08 I still support Z1 fully!!!!!You guys DO give great service - Kandy Orange Z 16:00:44 03/09/08 I will definitely keep buying from z1! no matter what this - jmurcybizd 17:16:07 03/09/08 2nd (n/m) - yosha 20:39:47 03/09/08 HUGE 3rd! Nothing but good transactions with me. (n/m) - scottyfender 23:27:15 03/09/08 This will stay up... - Greg (Dallas) 16:10:04 03/09/08 The Springer Cops Effect - The Devils Z 16:30:08 03/09/08 I don't think the manifolds were the core issue - aliaZ 18:19:22 03/09/08 Porter 5 force model is what Z1 is doing. - AZHeat 18:30:59 03/09/08 I dub thee Porter 5 force nazi (n/m) - aliaZ 19:16:34 03/09/08 The whole free market world is Porter 5 force nazi. - AZHeat 19:25:20 03/09/08 hard - Bezza 20:46:13 03/09/08 I didn't give up. My innovative product is more of - AZHeat 21:11:14 03/09/08 ? - aliaZ 21:22:08 03/09/08 No it doesn't matter at all. That's why it is not my top - AZHeat 21:35:56 03/09/08 not mocking it at all - aliaZ 21:39:01 03/09/08 pointing out that you ignore it with your arguments - AZHeat 21:49:23 03/09/08 yes, I ignore the Porter 5 force model - aliaZ 21:55:01 03/09/08 What products have they copied so far ? (n/m) - AZHeat 21:59:40 03/09/08 note that I didn't specify Z1? - aliaZ 22:04:30 03/09/08 Well, if he has any type of business ethics he - AZHeat 22:12:38 03/09/08 I agree with you 100% (n/m) - aliaZ 22:16:00 03/09/08 Well at least you get part of this. (n/m) - SeedyROM 22:24:24 03/09/08 ROFLMAO! You're either the densest member of tt.net, - Dustin 22:28:53 03/09/08 Who says he can't be both? =) - SeedyROM 22:37:34 03/09/08 You want to argue over semantics of the word business - AZHeat 23:05:15 03/09/08 When I used the word business to refer to TT.NET I was - AZHeat 23:00:53 03/09/08 Mike, sorry, but I interpreted what you said the same way - TT XTZ 15:15:48 03/10/08 Sorry to say that you gave up - Bezza 17:24:49 03/10/08 lol, that big party analogy is hilarious (n/m) - inf 16:54:57 03/09/08 agreed ... and somewhat true .. (n/m) - The Devils Z 16:58:41 03/09/08 It seemed to me that just as Russell's life would be so - LJZTT 17:07:08 03/09/08 How could "better moderators" help people from being upset - Scotts94z32 22:03:59 03/09/08 Thank you for letting it stay Greg. - Russell@Z1 19:35:13 03/09/08 No donation necessary - Greg (Dallas) 23:56:02 03/09/08 Fair enough. - Russell@Z1 00:05:48 03/10/08 this may be unpopular to say ... - The Devils Z 16:16:43 03/09/08 I don't see that as being the case - Broke_as_**** 16:29:03 03/09/08 The "core" uses the VTD system with success because - AZHeat 16:53:40 03/09/08 2nd (n/m) - Sleeper_TTZ(SeKy) 17:03:38 03/09/08 That's life on the intarweb (n/m) - Greg (Dallas) 17:05:51 03/09/08 That's society in general. If you say something repeatly - AZHeat 17:29:16 03/09/08 Perfect response, there are many tag-alongs on this site... (n/m) - ClayZ90TT(NC) 17:09:56 03/09/08 And about five times as many ignorant penny-pinchers - SeedyROM 21:54:11 03/09/08 indeed (n/m) - aliaZ 22:37:26 03/09/08 or its possible.... - Tikigod (Denver) 17:39:19 03/09/08 Did you even read anything I wrote? - Broke_as_**** 17:42:22 03/09/08 Does it matter to you? Do you have a personal stake - AZHeat 17:50:39 03/09/08 Yes it matters to me, my moral compass works - Broke_as_**** 18:08:53 03/09/08 Exactly, but over and over and over and over and over - AZHeat 18:12:38 03/09/08 Then stop replying to it - Broke_as_**** 18:19:45 03/09/08 Pot. Kettle. Fini. (n/m) - Greg (Dallas) 19:05:47 03/09/08 Not realy. (n/m) - AZHeat 19:14:41 03/09/08 Really. (n/m) - Dustin 19:17:11 03/09/08 Am I bashing Z1 like others? (n/m) - AZHeat 19:28:02 03/09/08 Does it matter? You're arguing like there's no tomorrow. - TT XTZ 15:26:56 03/10/08 His name appears everywhere becuz hes getting bashed 2. (n/m) - ZiNnYc 15:37:29 03/10/08 Circular argument: he's getting bashed because - TT XTZ 16:03:47 03/10/08 lol .. some of your comments are quite funny actually (n/m) - The Devils Z 07:09:22 03/10/08 At this point, the same could be said to you, you realize. (n/m) - TT XTZ 15:21:58 03/10/08 if there was no collusion .. I agree .. the conspiracy - The Devils Z 16:57:16 03/09/08 Info - Broke_as_**** 18:11:15 03/09/08 Why would anyone delete T0M's ads for his 2.5" piping? - dogpile 20:19:24 03/09/08 Porter 5 Force model FTW!!! (n/m) - aliaZ 21:06:13 03/09/08 I know you are mocking. You probably didn't get taught - AZHeat 21:39:50 03/09/08 silly...I'm mocking YOU, not the Porter 5 force model - aliaZ 21:41:36 03/09/08 So you resort to an Ad hominem ? You can mock me - AZHeat 21:56:48 03/09/08 I never said you were wrong regarding the 5 force model - aliaZ 21:58:59 03/09/08 Why the Ad hominem ? (n/m) - AZHeat 22:01:44 03/09/08 I dunno - aliaZ 22:06:39 03/09/08 LOL, no problem dude. It's all good. (n/m) - AZHeat 22:16:25 03/09/08 lol ...good reading (n/m) - The Devils Z 07:14:06 03/10/08 I see that you get it ..it's not like the MS manifolds - The Devils Z 07:12:11 03/10/08 You're a sheep. - Spongerider :) 02:26:11 03/10/08 Greg himself says the "core" exist ... you are naive (n/m) - The Devils Z 07:13:10 03/10/08 You obviously aren't reading anything here - Broke_as_**** 11:58:12 03/10/08 u'r subjective opinion ..as I have mine .. until proven - The Devils Z 12:11:00 03/10/08 Ha - Broke_as_**** 12:35:43 03/10/08 LoL! (n/m) - Spongerider :) 12:58:45 03/10/08 Two well written responses from both Greg and Russell. - Piranha(AZ) 16:18:38 03/09/08 If Greg and Damon get some actual moderators - LJZTT 17:00:24 03/09/08 2nd. Clear double standards applied by Admin. (n/m) - AZHeat 17:07:53 03/09/08 You dont like it then leave, why keep coming back and trying - Eishozzzz 17:41:24 03/09/08 Clearly. (n/m) - SactoTodd 09:26:57 03/10/08 I never understood complainging about something you - spotz 17:22:50 03/09/08 It's an observation, not a complaint, there's a difference (n/m) - LJZTT 17:29:31 03/09/08 I stopped "observing" this years ago. - ENVYMYZ 17:50:27 03/09/08 2nd. Got no response from Admin. (n/m) - AZHeat 17:51:38 03/09/08 maybe they just don't like you - aliaZ 18:03:34 03/09/08 No shift sherlock. Proved my point. (n/m) - AZHeat 18:09:49 03/09/08 what was your point again? (n/m) - aliaZ 18:11:41 03/09/08 What's yours? To prove that you are in tight with - AZHeat 18:40:25 03/09/08 bah...I've gotten my fair share of red boxes (n/m) - aliaZ 19:19:24 03/09/08 But you get responses to your emails . (n/m) - AZHeat 19:26:40 03/09/08 and I've emailed maybe twice in 8 years - aliaZ 21:11:44 03/09/08 I've emailed 4 times in 2 years with zero response back. - AZHeat 21:13:34 03/09/08 hmm - aliaZ 21:23:45 03/09/08 Email mod(s) directly if there is something in particular - Scotts94z32 22:01:11 03/09/08 I believe I did. Oh well. Not that important any more. (n/m) - AZHeat 22:18:37 03/09/08 Thank you. - Greg (Dallas) 17:33:51 03/09/08 Maybe a better analogy for your party is this. - AZHeat 19:13:29 03/09/08 my head just blew up (n/m) - ZiNnYc 19:16:10 03/09/08 lol, you need to lay off the Pot - - colocomp (Denver) 20:10:21 03/09/08 If we don't say something, are we condoning it ? - AZHeat 17:39:06 03/09/08 When site moderators start actually moderating objectively" - RAGTPZ 17:48:39 03/09/08 I'll be honest, I knew you were a mod, and in the back of my - LJZTT 20:00:09 03/09/08 Can you list the moderators that you are attacking then? - Scotts94z32 22:00:12 03/09/08 I don't think everyone knows who is a moderator. - AZHeat 22:04:51 03/09/08 It's in the SITE FAQ. - SeedyROM 22:11:48 03/09/08 Psst. That's not updated. ;-) (n/m) - Scotts94z32 22:18:08 03/09/08 I was going to ask that question :) (n/m) - AZHeat 22:19:44 03/09/08 No? Do tell. (n/m) - SeedyROM 22:23:33 03/09/08 That shows: - Scotts94z32 00:31:34 03/10/08 true. - Dallas DamonZ 01:24:48 03/10/08 Correct-a-mundo. In either event, "Sacto did it" :) (n/m) - Scotts94z32 09:43:46 03/10/08 Sacto always did it - that's stating the obvious. ;-) (n/m) - TT XTZ 15:39:55 03/10/08 Of course not, he's all mouth. - Spongerider :) 02:13:55 03/10/08 Which sort of nonsense haven't you seen on 3ZC? - TT XTZ 15:38:24 03/10/08 Speaking of Mods... where has SactoTodd been lately? :) (n/m) - Piranha(AZ) 17:53:36 03/09/08 I guess no one knows :( (n/m) - Piranha(AZ) 00:08:11 03/10/08 Out of town for 2 days, nice of you to miss me. :) (n/m) - SactoTodd 09:30:22 03/10/08 LOL Actually I did miss having you around. (n/m) - Piranha(AZ) 17:28:29 03/10/08 I personally think the Mods do a good job. - Josher 18:13:00 03/09/08 I do too, to be totally honest, as far as the big picture - LJZTT 20:06:53 03/09/08 Who are the current mods? - EricTTZ 22:29:58 03/09/08 2nd, I see wrong and right in both sides. - 550HPTT 18:15:12 03/09/08 "Its the weak minded followers and pole dancing retards" (n/m) - AZHeat 18:48:04 03/09/08 You danced around the manifold issue - Bezza 17:40:21 03/09/08 eh...I don't think it is entirely about the manifolds - aliaZ 17:53:04 03/09/08 Re: eh...I don't think it is entirely about the manifolds - Russell@Z1 20:12:29 03/09/08 Then stop implying that you have - SeedyROM 22:07:21 03/09/08 I'm not implying we have, that's your twisted interpretation - Russell@Z1 22:45:26 03/09/08 Now that we've called you on it, of course you'll say that - SeedyROM 22:53:46 03/09/08 Called us out? - Russell@Z1 23:38:23 03/09/08 *** this is true --I talked to Russell about this at - The Devils Z 07:24:04 03/10/08 I pray that you are not trying to copy the rails... - Waco300zx(DFW) 22:35:29 03/09/08 You should be on Jerry Springer. (n/m) - Marshall 17:58:20 03/09/08 He lives. - spicyZ 19:12:41 03/09/08 La-Z-Links not working (n/m) - ZiNnYc 18:18:42 03/09/08 2nd (n/m) - ghostinator (fl) 18:38:43 03/09/08 That was a long response... - golden_1 18:32:59 03/09/08 Guessing they used an exploit, not actively 'hacked' TT.net (n/m) - JBender 18:58:12 03/09/08 Glad you spoke up. - DVDBURN (MD) 19:08:58 03/09/08 Russell, you just don't seem to get it... - Only1Z 19:29:25 03/09/08 Oh and by the way, I have no problem with - Only1Z 19:43:36 03/09/08 No offense, but you're wrong. - TriniTT 19:52:16 03/09/08 If you say so... (n/m) - Only1Z 20:01:42 03/09/08 ...you can't say they are copies without someone - The Devils Z 07:28:16 03/10/08 It doesn't matter really... - Only1Z 21:41:53 03/10/08 i thought exact opposite - gt300zxtt 20:14:56 03/09/08 No offense, but you really don't know - Bezza 20:25:31 03/09/08 opinions by definition cannot be WRONG (n/m) - Ahmed 20:35:10 03/09/08 unless they are opinions on definition (n/m) - ZiNnYc 15:38:25 03/10/08 Let's put this aside...this wasn't the point of this - Only1Z 20:36:39 03/09/08 Except where Vuk admitted "borrowing" an MS set to flow test - SeedyROM 22:31:02 03/09/08 Ok, I digress. - TriniTT 23:49:04 03/09/08 well said. (n/m) - SaucyTabasco 20:50:00 03/09/08 Big 2nd. I'm basically in the same boat. - Dustin 23:07:02 03/09/08 Yeah it's really too bad it came to this. - Only1Z 23:25:11 03/09/08 This was probably your worst decision (the VTD crap) ever - spyhunterTT(nj) 19:54:13 03/09/08 Repost with links corrected - Russell@Z1 20:51:42 03/09/08 Business is Business. - Summeronthechain (MN) 21:19:55 03/09/08 It already has - SeedyROM 22:22:51 03/09/08 Evidence? - Summeronthechain (MN) 22:54:17 03/09/08 You mean so they can be copied? - SeedyROM 23:27:28 03/09/08 Well since most of this is a matter of opinion - Summeronthechain (MN) 00:15:25 03/10/08 (Total Hits: 17,894). *propaganda* LoL! (n/m) - Spongerider :) 01:50:31 03/10/08 I'm thinking about making a "(Total Hits: a lot)" T-Shirt. - apudapus 03:13:05 03/10/08 LoL! You really don't want to do that. - Spongerider :) 12:56:20 03/10/08 very well said >> - stockplayerz(nyc) 22:25:58 03/09/08 I feel sorry for you Russell, I really do. - SeedyROM 22:42:24 03/09/08 You get more desperate with every post. - Russell@Z1 22:52:50 03/09/08 I'm not implying that, that's your twisted interpretation - SeedyROM 23:06:10 03/09/08 SeedyROM its time to stop now. (n/m) - Piranha(AZ) 22:59:01 03/09/08 He called me out. That's my rebuttal. - SeedyROM 23:00:47 03/09/08 Well who else is he going to call out... AZheat LOL (n/m) - Piranha(AZ) 23:23:21 03/09/08 Good point ;) - SeedyROM 23:31:18 03/09/08 ygm (n/m) - Piranha(AZ) 00:06:55 03/10/08 lol @ the new sig (n/m) - ZiNnYc 15:36:26 03/10/08 I'm sure you don't remember meeting me in Dallas during - Dustin 22:54:48 03/09/08 Agree 100% (n/m) - Only1Z 23:21:11 03/09/08 Wish I could put it so well. Great post Dustin. - SeedyROM 00:02:13 03/10/08 For what it is worth I'd rather all the posts stay this time (n/m) - Russell@Z1 00:09:26 03/10/08 They will. (n/m) - Greg (Dallas) 00:36:02 03/10/08 Well put. (n/m) - Spongerider :) 01:14:09 03/10/08 Actually I do remember and it was nice meeting you - Russell@Z1 11:35:17 03/10/08 I certainly didn't mean to imply that you or Z1 are - Dustin 19:49:33 03/10/08 well said (n/m) - aliaZ 23:47:48 03/10/08 *Core* LoL>> - Spongerider :) 01:36:19 03/10/08
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