| Let's go through it piece by piece, shall we? There are lots of sites hosted here on servers in our DC.
That doesn't mean we own them all. Do you deny that you hosting their site puts you at a severe advantage to control what is and isn't posted? Even if you don't hit the delete button yourself, do you really think we haven't seen moderators on other forums jump to your command? Users over there and here have seen it first hand. And do you really think we'd believe anything you say after you've stepped on Damon personally and repeatedly? Some of which isn't even public. Most everyone here knows that what has been going on with constantly flaming Z1 often unprovoked , hijacking threads etc, and VTDing our classifieds ads is over the top. Unprovoked? Over the top? Your actions today and over the last month have explicitly proven neither to be the case. We proved our point that the VTD system is easily subject to abuse, just as we feel that it has been abused at our expense over the past few weeks. You forgot one very important fact: It's monitored and regulated by moderators. "Abuse" implies it was used inappropriately and against rules, neither of which is true as you know and as Damon knows. Otherwise it would have been reversed as they were all aware. What you guys just did was abuse. Those posts were locked and long hidden from the daily eyes of administration. Most everyone has seen and admitted that our service has vastly improved over the past year, so now the usual group that seems to thrive on attacking Z1 has been forced to shift focus to falsely portray certain situations regarding products we carry. Sure you've improved in some areas but today it shows you've fallen in others. There's no award for going from utter garbage to slightly less smelling garbage with no ethics and a fancy new shop on cheap land. All of which paid for by the sites and customers that made you. You know, those same people you shit on and sabotage when it suits you. The ones you've tried to delete record of on other sites and now THIS site. By the way, I have no doubt that evidence will return. All the fuss lately has been based mostly over manifolds. Why doesn't someone ask Mike Smith about his current relationship with Z1 and how our business relationship has been over the past year? There's 4+ years of fuss actually. Didn't you see it while you were hacking the site to delete all record of it? The manifolds are just one piece that allowed even those who ignore my posts to say "WOW, that's sad". Cunning as always, you throw out the ONE name of a guy that is so busy and so disgusted with "businessmen" like yourself that he wont even be a part of web fighting. That's your "expert" witness? What's funny is that if you push this issue, it wont take much for any of us to call him up and get the real scoop. SpecialtyZ talks with him all the time...should we go there? Should we, Russell? "I don't think the members are prepared to go there". LOL, no he isn't prepared to go there, but he sure is prepared and on fire with passion when it involves hurting or discrediting Z1, bookmark post in hand ready to save the Z32 world. You're 100% correct in that there are other vendors that have copied parts on this website and as such, I have distanced myself from them and do not tout their products. Unfortunately for you, you think that all of this is about copied products when that's just the tip of the iceberg. What separates you from those you accuse is: 1) They haven't come onto the forum and publicly bashed their customers, joyrided in their cars, stiffed them on parts that should have been installed, been sued by customers, stolen the personal property of their own employees (Ash?) or dicked people around for as many as two years on their project cars.
2) They also haven't been caught repeatedly lying to customers (like you have over what, four years now? I can't check the exact date until my links you tried to delete are restored)
3) They haven't tried to go behind an innovator's back to his producer to steal their supply as you have (actually, one did and he was flamed just as you were)
4) They haven't brought a product to market and blatantly claimed they invented it. TWICE. And that's just off the top of my head. Shit man, what would ever give you the idea that people were out to get you? I love TT.net for all that I've learned here. I feel I've also shared a lot of valuable information here over the years. Z1 was started through this site and I give thanks to the creators. And this is how you repay them? By swindling their user base in various forms, lying directly to them and reportedly going behind their back to copy one of the few products they make? The latter is based on your own words but you're free to set the record straight right now. You guys hinted at it exactly as you have other parts that you later did copy (outright copy, in fact). Will we be seeing Z1/AMS badged fuel rails or not? Will they be strikingly similar? As if we'd believe any response you actually give. Thankfully, I can bookmark it for future reference!
 
Boycott AMS Products - Killing Z32 product innovations, one quickly copied Chinese part at a time.
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