that is great. Why can't that logic apply to what members of this site desire? AMS copied it and Z1 sells for AMS. A lot of members are pissed off and VTD Z1's classifieds posts. The mods aren't doing it, the people are. I don't see the problem here. Are we all supposed to shut up about it and go on as normal just because Z1 is a sponsor? We are using our little voices collectively to raise awareness of a problem. You can do what you want (within the law) and so can we. It was probably inevitable that the manifolds would get copied, but that doesn't make it ok. It isn't illegal, but neither is VTDing Z1's posts.