Subject	:) Lesson learned.
Posted by	Ash's Z on January 31, 2008 at 4:09 AM
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In Reply To	Re: America: A Horse With No Name..... posted by lurker_nz on January 31, 2008 at 03:33 AM
Message	My only point about the data is that a group of individuals were the first to harass me about not providing "apples to apples" comparisons with my testing yet they are the first to recommend purchasing said product through another individual. Kindof "kooky", no? FWIW, this has been the ONLY product I have offered that has had such a long lead time until availability. I speak my mind on this forum as any other participant does about what they anticipate to do - while others speak about their personal Z projects, I speak about new products. I have spoken about other products in the past which I intended to release at a particular date that had gone beyond that projected date, but no monies were collected for those products nor were there excessive lead times like this. The problem here is that some people cant discern between proposing a product idea vs. "Ash not delivering on paid product on time". There is a difference between the two. FWIW, I have several new products I am working on right now - they will not be released as a groupbuy item nor will they have lead times dependent on some outsourced manufacturer's agenda. My point here is that the idea that I always collect money and deliver months later is an exaggeration of the extreme... [ ashspecz.com ] [ agpowers@bellsouth.net ] Enthusiasts soon understand each other. --W. Irving. Are you an enthusiast? If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor. Albert Einstein
Follow Ups	America: A Horse With No Name..... - Ash's Z 02:35:34 01/31/08 dont let the TT.net get to you, keep doing what your doing - volcomstone550 02:41:12 01/31/08 Thanks for the support bro.. It is much appreciated! - Ash's Z 03:52:51 01/31/08 Ash...it is 5am...you are either up too late or too early... - Myndblur (Daytona) 04:22:52 01/31/08 ... - Ash's Z 04:35:07 01/31/08 my post got blown up - Alan(NJ) 08:08:48 01/31/08 2nd. (n/m) - nemo1080 15:17:19 01/31/08 Re: America: A Horse With No Name..... - lurker_nz 03:33:22 01/31/08 :) Lesson learned. - Ash's Z 04:09:59 01/31/08 Ash, I think most like myself here who purchased the - AZHeat 08:29:24 01/31/08 some people have patience - Alan(NJ) 08:34:20 01/31/08 1 year? (n/m) - Bernie (NoVA) 17:39:16 01/31/08 just for future reference - Alan(NJ) 08:39:13 01/31/08 2nd (n/m) - z32hp*700* 10:32:43 01/31/08 You know there will always be someone that - Kong ZTT GT28RS MD 04:16:50 01/31/08 Re: America: A Horse With No Name..... - Jinjiro 04:23:29 01/31/08 Thanks Jason! - Ash's Z 04:37:47 01/31/08 Ash dont let em get ya bro - 91300zxttkid 04:48:29 01/31/08 Oh, the drama... (n/m) - phillyz 05:14:33 01/31/08 2nd (n/m) - zillaphreak 05:50:27 01/31/08 By the time I get around to doing the tt swap - BlackholeZ 05:17:57 01/31/08 hmm well.. I believe that when tehy are finally released - fst300zx 05:51:16 01/31/08 . - 952+2TT 05:59:41 01/31/08 must have a tough skin to deal with the public.. - mossyoak 07:57:51 01/31/08 >>> - ztunerz 08:05:18 01/31/08 2nd on the China comment - aliaZ 08:28:35 01/31/08 it's hard to complain about the quality across the ocean (n/m) - The Devils Z 08:44:53 01/31/08 eh...that totally depends on the product - aliaZ 08:56:18 01/31/08 Ever shop at Harbor Freight? Their tools are not - AZHeat 09:00:37 01/31/08 Their impact sockets are less than durable. (n/m) - Kenny 09:14:04 01/31/08 again, it totally depends on the product - aliaZ 10:58:51 01/31/08 Been using HF air tools for years, no problems (n/m) - AZHeat 11:14:48 01/31/08 excellent! - aliaZ 11:27:37 01/31/08 Their electric dremel is another story. It failed on me - AZHeat 11:41:14 01/31/08 those B&D dremels suck have a real one now also. (n/m) - nissanguyz32 20:20:41 01/31/08 watch out, i've heard of a few HF jackstands failing - sfarrah 11:34:49 01/31/08 I'm glad I bought a 2 year warranty with mine. - 952+2TT 12:47:25 01/31/08 Jackstands or hydrualic Jack? How does a Jackstand - AZHeat 13:08:16 01/31/08 I was actually talking about the hydraulic jacks. - 952+2TT 13:24:58 01/31/08 from what I was told the weld on the base of the jackstand - sfarrah 13:46:27 01/31/08 point taken (n/m) - The Devils Z 09:37:47 01/31/08 you shouldnt let critics discourage you (n/m) - Alan(NJ) 08:28:52 01/31/08 is that for me or Ash ? - ztunerz 09:11:37 01/31/08 you. Ash still has GBs dispite what people say (n/m) - Alan(NJ) 09:12:45 01/31/08 >> - ztunerz 09:45:21 01/31/08 I'll see you on the other side - maglito 23:30:26 01/31/08 I'm sure the only people that have negative things to say - John@z1 08:05:34 01/31/08 John, you should post a disclaimer after that post. - brahmabull (CT) 08:32:06 01/31/08 Correct, this is only my views as John Parham and individual - John@z1 08:43:51 01/31/08 Thank you for taking my suggestion the right way. (n/m) - brahmabull (CT) 09:39:40 01/31/08 Then change it, or is it a "rule" at work? (n/m) - MistressZ 09:46:54 01/31/08 <=== Change it then. (n/m) - Piranha(AZ) 10:17:21 01/31/08 if you'll allow me to expand on what you just said - ZEngineer 08:45:59 01/31/08 You call this improvement? - Kenny 08:50:33 01/31/08 Ladies & gentlemen, I give you taunter #1 (n/m) - ZEngineer 08:57:20 01/31/08 Regardless of what you consider taunting or not... - datzun 08:58:54 01/31/08 people are trying to bring emotions into the business world - ZEngineer 09:35:45 01/31/08 "Somebody did something worse one time" is hardly a defense. (n/m) - Kenny 09:46:40 01/31/08 I said that to illustrate the cold nature of business - ZEngineer 10:21:29 01/31/08 That wasn't ridicule. - Kenny 11:08:53 01/31/08 oh come on, just admit that I had you whooped at - ZEngineer 11:37:37 01/31/08 You've had worse moments. - Kenny 11:40:52 01/31/08 I can think of a better place for that screwdriver - ZEngineer 12:11:55 01/31/08 yeah, I am more bothered by the umpteenth repackaging - robo (sebring1970) 09:49:21 01/31/08 People continuing to condone that type of conduct is.. - datzun 09:58:10 01/31/08 like I said, it sucks that some will put in genuine work - ZEngineer 10:19:38 01/31/08 Yes, this case is worse. - datzun 13:10:51 01/31/08 No one said it was illegal, we're saying it's immoral - SeedyROM 14:54:15 01/31/08 Not everything is a bait George. - Kenny 09:01:53 01/31/08 what rare talent to annoy and amuse at the same ...lol (n/m) - The Devils Z 10:42:13 01/31/08 i agree with vendors - Alan(NJ) 09:05:41 01/31/08 Would you let them carry a gun? :) (n/m) - Piranha(AZ) 10:18:27 01/31/08 of course - ZEngineer 10:23:55 01/31/08 Good advice - Russell@Z1 11:10:47 01/31/08 case in point, Jim Wolf Technologies, - robo (sebring1970) 14:48:06 01/31/08 No need to blacklist anyone, they aren't buying from you. (n/m) - Kenny 08:47:30 01/31/08 Your little post is funny much like the past. - Spongerider :) 16:54:45 01/31/08 cliff notes - u betta check yaself b4 u wreck yaself (n/m) - ZiNnYc 08:13:37 01/31/08 my 2 cents .. - The Devils Z 08:39:25 01/31/08 Valid points, but... - brahmabull (CT) 09:28:45 01/31/08 Doh, half the post is bolded by accident. *</b> - brahmabull (CT) 09:35:58 01/31/08 and u have valid points 2 that I do not argue against .... - The Devils Z 09:42:18 01/31/08 Agreed....and I'm sure you know how difficult it is... - brahmabull (CT) 10:01:33 01/31/08 Comparing Ash to Bernie is not comparable. - eriksu9 09:52:04 01/31/08 You are right, I was focusing on customer service. - brahmabull (CT) 10:14:27 01/31/08 Very Well said. (n/m) - Tim B. 11:42:02 01/31/08 should be stickied, but it won't (n/m) - LJZTT 12:22:43 01/31/08 ... - aliaZ 12:59:59 01/31/08 Agreed ... and the bashing of Tom and Ash does no - The Devils Z 13:45:45 01/31/08 exactly!!!!!! (n/m) - eriksu9 14:22:06 01/31/08 I mentioned the other day I have no bias either way... - PCVI 09:01:00 01/31/08 well said (n/m) - Guapo 09:15:53 01/31/08 agreed (n/m) - aliaZ 10:35:56 01/31/08 another well thought out post... who let this guy in here..? (n/m) - Tu 12:15:42 01/31/08 im still wondering where all his posts came from - Alan(NJ) 14:58:39 01/31/08 His history posts are legit. Used to go by "The Sixth" - SeedyROM 15:10:40 01/31/08 LOL. (n/m) - doug8867 17:47:38 01/31/08 I sincerely hope Ash reads this - SeedyROM 14:56:58 01/31/08 . (n/m) - Scotts94z32 17:10:49 01/31/08 wow. (n/m) - Halo Z 23:15:14 01/31/08 you don't offer the product. too bad. soo sad. (n/m) - AntiHero 09:06:44 01/31/08 Cliffs Notes: Ash plays the martyr card. - Kenny 09:09:25 01/31/08 Just don't take peoples $$ until you have the product - MistressZ 09:56:42 01/31/08 Don't let it get to you Ash... Every time I have ordered or - Zski 10:25:00 01/31/08 The only people who should bitch are those who - AZHeat 10:51:53 01/31/08 most of the people bashing Ash about the IC pipes - Alan(NJ) 11:03:08 01/31/08 I guess no one can vote anymore either - SeedyROM 14:59:31 01/31/08 Invalid argument. - rojoloco (Yokosuka, Japan) 21:52:49 01/31/08 Re: America: A Horse With No Name..... - Rickytl (ma) 12:03:23 01/31/08 I think you just posted the worlds first electronic blowjob. (n/m) - Kenny 13:02:34 01/31/08 Now thats funny.... - eriksu9 13:22:51 01/31/08 My post was pretty clear. - Kenny 13:38:05 01/31/08 Incorrect. I never, EVERsaid "Do not hold Ash - eriksu9 13:55:38 01/31/08 You're assuming a bit there. - Kenny 17:44:55 01/31/08 i think someone's jealous (n/m) - Rickytl (ma) 15:51:22 01/31/08 I'm good bro, but thanks for the offer. (n/m) - Kenny 17:36:43 01/31/08 LMAO...I think there's something dripping off the keyboard (n/m) - Gizmo 18:50:06 01/31/08 so you are saying Border based their piping kit that - Halo Z 12:10:43 01/31/08 As usually* lol.... - eriksu9 12:59:34 01/31/08 Re: As usually* lol.... - Kenny 13:10:17 01/31/08 Eric, you arent one of many like myself who has been - AZHeat 13:14:39 01/31/08 wow, im very moved... one of your BEST posts. (n/m) - Halo Z 13:20:32 01/31/08 No, I am not waiting on his parts. - eriksu9 14:08:01 01/31/08 WOW! Great post =) (n/m) - SeedyROM 15:02:44 01/31/08 clearly, you missed the point. (n/m) - Halo Z 13:22:05 01/31/08 LOL... did I really say all that? (n/m) - Ash's Z 15:36:18 01/31/08 Yup! Ash, you did. I remember. Right after you said - eriksu9 15:46:02 01/31/08 there's that short term memory loss again. (n/m) - Halo Z 19:44:29 01/31/08 Were you on the team that helped Al Gore invent Internets? - Adam (NoVA) 16:46:50 01/31/08 2.5 inches = 63.5mm. w00t. thats what I call innovation (n/m) - Adam (NoVA) 17:07:57 01/31/08 Your sig. is ground shacking!! - Spongerider :) 17:30:29 01/31/08 Until I did the testing, no one knew if it was worth it or - Ash's Z 21:04:57 01/31/08 How can you claim altruism when you're turning a profit? - Kenny 09:09:07 02/01/08 Take a look in the mirror my friend.... - Ash's Z 14:32:15 02/01/08 I explained it pretty clearly already. - Kenny 15:07:51 02/01/08 wat (n/m) - EVLTTWIN 16:59:54 01/31/08 *rolls eyes* Just put up or shut up (n/m) - Tennyson (ATL) 19:13:25 01/31/08 Ash, get some sleep.... - Rob.M @ Down Shift 21:27:21 01/31/08
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