Subject	I'm on the fence on whether to pay for production tooling
Posted by	CaliguyPurdue (redesigning) on January 25, 2008 at 12:43 PM
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In Reply To	We already all know this. It just screws all of us posted by SeedyROM on January 25, 2008 at 10:49 AM
Message	right now. Daily driving a TT is like ordering your favorite pizza for breakfast lunch and dinner. It's not healthy and eventually you will lose the magic of the meal. Sometimes you just have to have some meatloaf. My new meatloaf.... 1994 Black Honda Civic DX :D what? It looks a little stumpy, but fits great in the hand! (n/m) - ZEngineer 12/12/06
Follow Ups	good to see innovation is alive and well - aliaZ 22:11:36 01/24/08 Wow - collegeboy 22:18:20 01/24/08 By the way..how much are they? - collegeboy 22:19:18 01/24/08 $1,005 - Ahmed 22:21:42 01/24/08 What does he mean by this? - Keaner 22:48:15 01/24/08 probably assumes that if ur going to use - Alan(NJ) 22:55:20 01/24/08 That would be a foolish assumption for him to make... - Keaner 23:18:14 01/24/08 i already have the MS manis - Alan(NJ) 23:23:30 01/24/08 Yep, I'll eventually go with a similar setup. (n/m) - Keaner 23:34:00 01/24/08 Is Cryotreating really needed on cast iron manifolds? (n/m) - AZHeat 15:41:48 01/25/08 depends on the quality of the material (n/m) - aliaZ 16:40:27 01/25/08 wow (n/m) - maglito 22:18:24 01/24/08 i guess its the ultimate compliment when ur product - Alan(NJ) 22:19:02 01/24/08 I believe the saying is, "Imitation is the sincerest form of - Eric(NJ) 22:49:55 01/24/08 Mike can try competing by e.g. lowering his price, reducing - 240Z FeO2 23:16:22 01/24/08 its hard to compete when these people get their - Seb (specialty-Z) 23:26:15 01/24/08 True. I'm guessing that high end, cutting edge products - 240Z FeO2 23:43:41 01/24/08 Im going to have to disagree with you on this one: - ENVYMYZ 12:34:47 01/25/08 I reread my post-could not find the word 'majority'. 'A lot - 240Z FeO2 16:47:35 01/25/08 holy crap (n/m) - Seb (specialty-Z) 22:20:36 01/24/08 I see the difference... the logos are different. (n/m) - jcieslik 22:22:48 01/24/08 I doubt it. The casting looks - pcproa 22:26:37 01/24/08 oyyyy... I take that back - pcproa 22:28:17 01/24/08 Another one - ArubaDave 22:28:49 01/24/08 Don't make me remember that :( - TheTwinZ (Peru) 22:53:45 01/24/08 Simply amazing. Look here. - collegeboy 22:30:00 01/24/08 yeah they copied our hard work - Seb (specialty-Z) 22:32:00 01/24/08 I'm amazed - collegeboy 22:35:32 01/24/08 they're the new Megan Co. (n/m) - Alan(NJ) 22:35:42 01/24/08 Well - collegeboy 22:42:09 01/24/08 you think megan did r&d? - sfarrah 15:38:08 01/25/08 of course he doesn't... - Spee 18:18:58 01/25/08 Not too late for a patent. (n/m) - Keaner 00:12:07 01/25/08 Real enforcement either never happens or requires time and - SeedyROM 00:16:08 01/25/08 That is true. I'm truly pissed at AMS, and wish there was - Keaner 00:19:17 01/25/08 Yea but it would be easier to file a lawsuit. (n/m) - Piranha(AZ) 10:43:44 01/25/08 there's no invention there, nothing to patent (n/m) - ZEngineer 07:31:56 01/25/08 Yes it is. You have up to one year to file for a patent - Dave N 14:02:46 01/25/08 Don't worry I will still only buy Specialty Z exhaust - Piranha(AZ) 11:14:43 01/25/08 i'll support SZ on the DPs when im ready - Alan(NJ) 22:33:34 01/24/08 Yup...getting ready to make a nice 3" SZ DP and TP purchase - collegeboy 22:37:50 01/24/08 yeah i would like to kno how thats legal too - Alan(NJ) 22:40:25 01/24/08 Summary... - collegeboy 22:47:54 01/24/08 Would like to see your car in person - Zleepertt(MD) 22:52:24 01/24/08 Even the big companies can't do nothing about this (n/m) - ArubaDave 23:10:22 01/24/08 yep...just ask Apple - aliaZ 23:12:54 01/24/08 oof...didn't see those - aliaZ 22:35:11 01/24/08 And what about this one ? - ArubaDave 22:38:24 01/24/08 surprised they haven't duped the 300 degree fuel rails yet - aliaZ 22:41:57 01/24/08 I looked for EXACTLY that (n/m) - collegeboy 22:42:34 01/24/08 and you kno AMS will get all the credit for it - Alan(NJ) 22:46:15 01/24/08 Vendors could limit this some by not supporting them anymore - collegeboy 22:51:46 01/24/08 I think the 300 Degree fuel rails are being copied elsewhere - zQuikonE 00:21:26 01/25/08 Although not a major product for us, I do see - kuah@splparts.com 08:36:39 01/25/08 Russell, I hope you don't help them. (n/m) - Seb (specialty-Z) 22:41:41 01/24/08 Z1 will likely be the US distributor, don't you think? (n/m) - aliaZ 22:43:10 01/24/08 well, maybe they still have some decency (n/m) - Seb (specialty-Z) 22:45:14 01/24/08 I dunno - aliaZ 22:52:24 01/24/08 yup, alot of things are making more sense these past - Seb (specialty-Z) 22:53:16 01/24/08 well this obviously answers that question - Seb (specialty-Z) 23:03:45 01/24/08 indeed (n/m) - aliaZ 23:06:58 01/24/08 i really feel like i need to vomit right now (n/m) - Seb (specialty-Z) 23:43:06 01/24/08 I think Z1 & AMS Should be Banned from TT.NET, Anyone? (n/m) - Eishozzzz 05:08:13 01/25/08 Hmm... it was going to happen sooner r later (n/m) - 550HPTT 09:37:46 01/25/08 Seriously, maybe this can help vendors not to sell their - collegeboy 22:43:24 01/24/08 i am shocked by all this - Alan(NJ) 22:43:48 01/24/08 AMS is the same as Howe or Koyo. One of them. - collegeboy 22:49:17 01/24/08 AMS core is 5mm thicker than the Koyo Core - pcproa 22:53:12 01/24/08 The sad part is that not everyone will think like you. (n/m) - ArubaDave 23:07:31 01/24/08 yep - aliaZ 23:11:36 01/24/08 Will not kill but you will see a lot of ideas/prototypes - ArubaDave 23:38:48 01/24/08 Z1 and the AMS guys were all buddy buddy at ZCON. (n/m) - Spee 23:44:38 01/24/08 shocking (n/m) - aliaZ 23:55:23 01/24/08 Does Z1 deserve to be a TT.net sponsor if they support AMS (n/m) - lewoolf2 23:56:37 01/24/08 I don't think they should. (n/m) - Keaner 23:58:48 01/24/08 Like i said Above, they should be banned from this forum - Eishozzzz 05:12:20 01/25/08 No (n/m) - ZonaZ 00:02:32 01/25/08 Not cheap to keep this place running but I'd donate again (n/m) - SeedyROM 00:27:15 01/25/08 I would donate as well... - Keaner 00:30:40 01/25/08 I will setup a Direct Deposit, Every friday. (n/m) - Eishozzzz 05:33:45 01/25/08 I think Damon and Greg tend to stay out of these things - Agner.S(CT) 00:28:28 01/25/08 *Deserve's got nothing to do with it.* Clint Eastwood - robo (sebring1970) 05:13:46 01/25/08 Like two snakes waiting in the grass. (n/m) - Spongerider :) 01:28:59 01/25/08 I wonder why?? I say Bann Z1 And AMS, Whatever Z1 Pays - Eishozzzz 05:09:39 01/25/08 I think you underestimate the cost of sponsorship. (n/m) - Kenny 12:08:28 01/25/08 annually (n/m) - CRAZZEPETE. 13:03:54 01/25/08 Yes, you are correct and we had a great time in FL. - John@z1 13:08:50 01/25/08 I don't know what to think anymore (n/m) - Zleepertt(MD) 22:50:40 01/24/08 LOL, the most honest answer I've read under this post (n/m) - robo (sebring1970) 11:17:26 01/25/08 Big 2nd. (n/m) - AbsolutZ (OH) 12:02:45 01/25/08 Wow, here's another one... - Barry'z (NJ) 23:26:51 01/24/08 Hi Barry ! - ArubaDave 23:33:07 01/24/08 Sup Dave, yeah I just saw your post ;~) - Barry'z (NJ) 23:34:54 01/24/08 copyright infringement. When i first saw their product, be - zyoulater 00:20:03 01/25/08 and if you mention this to a DSM crowd - Alan(NJ) 22:49:05 01/24/08 And that's why they spend money on Mitsubishis (n/m) - collegeboy 22:50:48 01/24/08 lol (n/m) - nemo1080 23:28:20 01/24/08 completely different AMS - tya 01:37:53 01/25/08 probably differnt plants that specialize in different cars (n/m) - Alan(NJ) 08:07:56 01/25/08 Yep, very different AMS. The IL version is a good bunch - zgene4 16:28:46 01/25/08 Vote to Sticky (n/m) - collegeboy 22:52:15 01/24/08 :::SHAKES HEAD::: ugh I'm glad i have msp manis (n/m) - EricTTZ 23:01:00 01/24/08 That sucks...Sadly, if Mike Smith didn't registered his - TheTwinZ (Peru) 23:01:48 01/24/08 Vote to ban AMS. - Got Z? 23:04:51 01/24/08 Thank God i dont have one AMS product - Alan(NJ) 23:17:12 01/24/08 Maybe the best thing that could happen is that somebody - 240Z FeO2 23:29:30 01/24/08 Ok I'll admit it...I chuckled at your post. (n/m) - collegeboy 23:33:45 01/24/08 Yep, AMS should be highly discouraged on this forum... - Keaner 23:27:48 01/24/08 Thanks for posting this. - ben7021 23:26:16 01/24/08 boycott ams!!! - mobetta002 23:36:03 01/24/08 wow (n/m) - Spee 23:39:22 01/24/08 Competition!!! (n/m) - gnozahs 23:45:14 01/24/08 Remember in middle school how it was bad to copy? (n/m) - collegeboy 23:47:44 01/24/08 Abler is competition, this is plagiarism. (n/m) - Barry'z (NJ) 23:54:32 01/24/08 yep...at least his look different (n/m) - aliaZ 23:56:02 01/24/08 I don't think John had a set of the Mike's manifolds - Barry'z (NJ) 00:05:29 01/25/08 John thinks Mike's manifolds suck - aliaZ 00:10:04 01/25/08 Buy MSP manifolds, support ethical vendors. (n/m) - ZonaZ 23:45:51 01/24/08 Sad!!!!!! (n/m) - lewoolf2 23:46:47 01/24/08 Holy s.... F.... these guys!!! I'm glad I've never bought - Agner.S(CT) 23:48:07 01/24/08 that won't happen - aliaZ 23:52:10 01/24/08 I already made the post. - Barry'z (NJ) 23:58:11 01/24/08 I guess we'll see how long that lasts (n/m) - aliaZ 00:02:12 01/25/08 Thanks for putting it up Barry. - Agner.S(CT) 00:43:32 01/25/08 2nd. If it stays up it'll be an interesting litmus test - SeedyROM 00:46:06 01/25/08 no surprises, unfortunately (n/m) - aliaZ 00:49:39 01/25/08 Wow, I just looked over there. It looks like people - Agner.S(CT) 10:11:19 01/25/08 Told ya so =) (n/m) - SeedyROM 10:28:44 01/25/08 That's sad. Bookmarked. (n/m) - zfreak(Denver) 23:57:00 01/24/08 Yet another hit to the innovators of 300ZX parts. - SeedyROM 00:12:12 01/25/08 shrug, they're no cheaper than the MS, don't see how - vorpalZ 00:13:48 01/25/08 They kill the real product by selling their junk @ retail - Bernie (NoVA) 02:39:16 01/25/08 for over $ 1000.00, people will buy MS - vorpalZ 08:00:57 01/25/08 They set that price for now but they have the room to - Bernie (NoVA) 11:43:51 01/25/08 *shrug* we'll wait and see (n/m) - vorpalZ 14:37:53 01/25/08 Did they leave JWT Copyright code in it also? - Halo Z 00:16:25 01/25/08 I didnt know we were here to buy Ebay crap - 5280Z_nightstalker 00:20:32 01/25/08 Sig Image, anyone? Perhaps turn it into a window decal? =) - Jinjiro 00:24:14 01/25/08 Testing 1, 2, 3 - SeedyROM 00:39:13 01/25/08 Oh no...my sig is now bigger - collegeboy 00:48:16 01/25/08 Exceptions are welcome in extreme situations =) (n/m) - SeedyROM 00:50:40 01/25/08 LoL! (n/m) - Spongerider :) 01:40:04 01/25/08 AMS did post this yesterday - ZiNnYc 00:26:04 01/25/08 R&D = Rob & Duplicate - aliaZ 00:35:53 01/25/08 Interesting, if i did that in my job... - Mike(La Canada) 01:27:17 01/25/08 AMS - 5280Z_nightstalker 01:29:43 01/25/08 Just like in My Cousin Vinny... "Eye - - - dentical..." (n/m) - Scotts94z32 01:30:13 01/25/08 wow... - maxboost83(WA) 02:11:40 01/25/08 So where are all the Vuk defenders that always pop up to - Bernie (NoVA) 02:25:58 01/25/08 . - ZiNnYc 02:29:49 01/25/08 What's step 2? (n/m) - Bernie (NoVA) 02:39:50 01/25/08 Step 3... Open the box... (n/m) - TriniTT 03:02:26 01/25/08 Step 4...Take my junk out that boxxx (n/m) - ZiNnYc 03:07:39 01/25/08 LMFAO (n/m) - ENVYMYZ 12:49:58 01/25/08 Vuk's response on 3zc. - ZiNnYc 02:47:34 01/25/08 Uhmmm - ArubaDave 03:02:15 01/25/08 I still don't see whats wrong... - TIG3I2 04:50:29 01/25/08 An you sound like a Liberal, just dong give a F as long as - Eishozzzz 05:51:07 01/25/08 HAHA.. well played sir!! (n/m) - fst300zx 06:09:08 01/25/08 I would call it exactly the opposite... (n/m) - dpjax 06:45:08 01/25/08 I don't think that would be a liberal...... (n/m) - zxtuner161 07:07:04 01/25/08 Re: An you sound like a Liberal, just dong give a F as long - TIG3I2 07:19:01 01/25/08 Exactly wrong. That's called the conservative POV. - ZiNnYc 09:42:03 01/25/08 You should probably leave CA go back to the bible belt (n/m) - Evan(CA) 12:32:30 01/25/08 we blame Z1 for carrying a company that would rip off - fst300zx 06:13:12 01/25/08 no offence matt... - zxtuner161 07:18:03 01/25/08 Manufacturing overseas is one thing, copying products - kuah@splparts.com 08:47:53 01/25/08 Why would Mike Smith not look into overseas manufacturing? - S.Watson 11:10:03 01/25/08 I don't see a major price difference - kuah@splparts.com 11:26:04 01/25/08 so you are looking at it as a humanist.. im looking at it as - fst300zx 21:34:22 01/25/08 Yeah, this is really sad - BlackholeZ 04:51:14 01/25/08 Let the rooster in the hen house, and someone always gets - Turnerscasa (Dallas) 04:55:43 01/25/08 Unless AMS did something illegal all anyone can do is - robo (sebring1970) 05:08:41 01/25/08 I don't agree with AMS, but you are right. It's sad, but - BoostingsidewayZ (SoFL) 16:13:24 01/25/08 wow that is freaking amazing lol.. some guys never learn - fst300zx 06:08:15 01/25/08 Where were all you noble crusaders when ASH ripped off - Tennyson (ATL) 06:17:46 01/25/08 ehh.. i dont like it so i wont give them my money.. (n/m) - fst300zx 06:23:58 01/25/08 Was beginning to wonder where the Z1 supporters had gone. - datzun 08:10:23 01/25/08 Actually, when Ash came out with his ECU - ZiNnYc 09:44:35 01/25/08 RUSSELL!! let us know how you feel about this.. all the - fst300zx 06:22:22 01/25/08 Come off your high horse - Tennyson (ATL) 06:29:16 01/25/08 Vuk or Russell arent going to respond - Alan(NJ) 07:53:23 01/25/08 You all thought this wouldnt happen ????????? - Tektrader69 07:14:27 01/25/08 2nd that ... i wouldn't complain lol (n/m) - zxtuner161 07:19:14 01/25/08 3rd, I want a vendor to copy my oil pan when it - AZHeat 07:30:02 01/25/08 Porter five force model in play.... - AZHeat 07:45:24 01/25/08 damn you it took it to macro class! (n/m) - ZiNnYc 09:46:43 01/25/08 lol, 2nd. (n/m) - inf 13:59:02 01/25/08 I have to agree MS and the rest of us should have seen - CRAZZEPETE. 07:56:01 01/25/08 oh please. AMS lost all credibility - Alan(NJ) 08:05:51 01/25/08 Do you shop at walmart? (n/m) - AZHeat 08:16:00 01/25/08 no, never have - Alan(NJ) 08:27:29 01/25/08 Not yet... (n/m) - tdogzjoint 11:11:03 01/25/08 never said it was right, just predictable, read again (n/m) - CRAZZEPETE. 08:18:40 01/25/08 I'm going to assume you've never ran a business. - datzun 08:07:26 01/25/08 you doubt they cost 100 dollars to make!?! - maglito 08:17:59 01/25/08 If he is using a US foundry then I - Tektrader69 15:21:53 01/25/08 Yes, in california - maglito 16:32:22 01/25/08 Problem with #1 is that MS had to factor in all the - Furb (NoVa) 08:23:29 01/25/08 you are clueless regarding manufacturing costs - aliaZ 08:25:42 01/25/08 Yes, it is normal . The company strategy is how to - AZHeat 08:35:50 01/25/08 While you make valid points - ENVYMYZ 12:56:29 01/25/08 You have all missed the point of my post - Tektrader69 15:00:11 01/25/08 Your volume estimations are WAY off. - maglito 16:38:03 01/25/08 you're still wrong - aliaZ 02:27:09 01/26/08 *sigh* Pretty shady IMO. - datzun 07:57:36 01/25/08 amszstore@hotmail.com - longhornz32(Fort Worth) 08:12:49 01/25/08 i sent an email (n/m) - Alan(NJ) 08:19:28 01/25/08 Before I get out my pitch fork and torch... - dpjax 08:24:06 01/25/08 yeah - aliaZ 08:41:09 01/25/08 another thing... - aliaZ 09:20:13 01/25/08 Agreed. :( (n/m) - datzun 09:24:41 01/25/08 yay! - maglito 10:26:14 01/25/08 Nice sig ;~) (n/m) - Barry'z (NJ) 11:05:36 01/25/08 2nd. (n/m) - MAD_96TT(MO) 17:29:33 01/25/08 Question and a couple points... - eriksu9 09:28:30 01/25/08 No. (n/m) - Kenny 09:37:07 01/25/08 It's business - NICKFLO13 09:38:04 01/25/08 What about the 300degree BMC, our SPL shifter bushings, etc - kuah@splparts.com 09:50:47 01/25/08 It's just another option. - NICKFLO13 09:55:51 01/25/08 Thanks alot, you just confirmed that I should not proceed - kuah@splparts.com 10:29:13 01/25/08 Only if you don't want to - NICKFLO13 10:52:38 01/25/08 I did not say anything about MS manifolds - kuah@splparts.com 11:03:56 01/25/08 Let's compare hard pipes - NICKFLO13 13:49:09 01/25/08 BTW in very real terms - kuah@splparts.com 11:12:49 01/25/08 hurry up on that patent please :) (n/m) - aliaZ 12:32:25 01/25/08 Please don't let idiots like this stop you from bringing new - Furb (NoVa) 12:40:43 01/25/08 Well on the oil thingy, that has applications to all cars - kuah@splparts.com 13:29:22 01/25/08 understood on the oil thingy. I'm in for the v2 arms if you - Furb (NoVa) 13:38:17 01/25/08 same here, looking forward to them (n/m) - TTFairladyZ 15:16:12 01/25/08 This is exaclty the garbage that occurs when AMS pulls this - Keaner 12:59:10 01/25/08 If it is a pet project, the incentive is other than profit? (n/m) - AZHeat 13:09:26 01/25/08 Businesses run on money, not self-esteem. (n/m) - Kenny 13:15:55 01/25/08 Pet project may mean "Hobby". Arguing semantics here again - AZHeat 15:10:45 01/25/08 Pet Project is a project I do in my spare time... - Keaner 15:17:10 01/25/08 Yes, however, if I am going to do something and give it out - Keaner 13:19:24 01/25/08 It may help to team up with an existing vendor who - AZHeat 13:30:58 01/25/08 I have the startup capital... - Keaner 13:34:53 01/25/08 That's good! - NICKFLO13 13:45:57 01/25/08 i agree with you NICKFLO13, it is a business and - mogaffar 09:59:45 01/25/08 I think it would be best to withhold judgement until more - dmv300z 09:48:03 01/25/08 I agree with this statement - pcproa 10:02:26 01/25/08 The argument here is: - dpjax 10:03:11 01/25/08 AMS is not a 'big' guy (n/m) - CRAZZEPETE. 10:52:05 01/25/08 thats not really my point... - dpjax 11:45:48 01/25/08 Did MS patent those? Does the U.S. patent laws apply - MistressZ 10:08:52 01/25/08 Patent doesn't matter: - Keaner 10:26:29 01/25/08 That's all I was curious about. Thx. (n/m) - MistressZ 10:27:33 01/25/08 No problem. Also, I spoke with a lawyer today about this... - Keaner 13:10:08 01/25/08 It would take A LOT to prove that the AMS product - Scotts94z32 10:57:19 01/25/08 Proof is not required... - Keaner 13:12:55 01/25/08 Pictures are up!!! - NICKFLO13 10:17:16 01/25/08 get off his dick already (n/m) - Alan(NJ) 10:23:51 01/25/08 Haha. I don't even have any of his parts. - NICKFLO13 10:28:22 01/25/08 i agree with Jodecy - Alan(NJ) 10:33:32 01/25/08 agreed (n/m) - NICKFLO13 10:37:16 01/25/08 I can see the casting marks on the AMS, look again. - Woody75 (Denver) 17:12:59 01/25/08 My thoughts exactly! (n/m) - rojoloco (Yokosuka, Japan) 18:56:35 01/25/08 Wrong....maybe next time! (n/m) - Agner.S(CT) 23:21:03 01/25/08 lol...you're clueless - aliaZ 10:00:07 01/26/08 I knew something was up when there were only 3 posts - BigTDogg (MA) 10:22:34 01/25/08 I think it is fair to see Vuk's response... - Barry'z (NJ) 10:23:15 01/25/08 ...and that's all she wrote. (n/m) - ZiNnYc 10:26:17 01/25/08 a well written response - maglito 10:43:31 01/25/08 Riding the coattails of others as usual - SeedyROM 10:56:50 01/25/08 There is nothing to prevent the same thing from happening - Barry'z (NJ) 11:08:42 01/25/08 Well - ENVYMYZ 13:10:13 01/25/08 Are you looking at the correct images? - Kenny 13:14:42 01/25/08 I was specifically referring to the - ENVYMYZ 13:22:20 01/25/08 My turn to chime in... - Jodecy 10:26:53 01/25/08 something in your post stood out to me ... - Guapo 10:29:39 01/25/08 cause why should they? If AMS has the capital and - AZHeat 10:51:36 01/25/08 300D is not a copy - Guapo 11:01:50 01/25/08 so, they took an existing product, and improved it, right? (n/m) - CRAZZEPETE. 11:10:34 01/25/08 No, there never was a rail that does what the 300d does. (n/m) - Guapo 11:12:23 01/25/08 I would call that an improvement over Border. (n/m) - AZHeat 11:45:12 01/25/08 That's because you're playing semantics. - Kenny 11:54:16 01/25/08 How do you know? Were you involved with this ? - AZHeat 12:20:39 01/25/08 With which part? - Kenny 12:34:05 01/25/08 I saw prototype designs long before public release. - Guapo 12:48:10 01/25/08 My apology. I didn't realize what was involved in this - AZHeat 14:15:47 01/25/08 My apology, I retract my question . I hadn't - AZHeat 14:13:46 01/25/08 Ur just sad because, you tried to copy an Oil pan that - Eishozzzz 04:13:22 01/26/08 WAIT A sec, member when NYXMOTORSPORTS Copy the Z1 - Eishozzzz 04:10:20 01/26/08 <clap clap clap> (n/m) - NICKFLO13 10:30:44 01/25/08 Miiiight want to get that checked :-/ (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 15:11:24 01/25/08 time for Ash to do some more flow testing (n/m) - Alan(NJ) 10:30:59 01/25/08 I agree in that this happens a lot - RICH1 10:43:17 01/25/08 well said, this is how it works - maglito 10:45:32 01/25/08 Business is Amoral. From my economics class. (n/m) - AZHeat 10:53:02 01/25/08 *immoral, from your spelling class you skipped (n/m) - aliaZ 11:02:25 01/25/08 I think he got it correct... - Barry'z (NJ) 11:11:01 01/25/08 I think that was by accident - aliaZ 11:43:37 01/25/08 By accident? Maybe you should edju-macate yourself - AZHeat 12:08:43 01/25/08 my bad - aliaZ 12:30:03 01/25/08 My degree is in business with computer information - AZHeat 12:35:38 01/25/08 I don't know where you pulled those quotes from... - Kenny 12:42:18 01/25/08 immoral means it's wrong, amorl, means it doesn't apply (n/m) - CRAZZEPETE. 11:17:04 01/25/08 Do you feel stupid trying to look smart by correcting me? (n/m) - AZHeat 11:32:01 01/25/08 nope, thought it was funny tho (n/m) - aliaZ 11:36:48 01/25/08 Me too, after you got corrected. Guess YOU can't know it all (n/m) - AZHeat 12:32:14 01/25/08 never claimed I knew it all (n/m) - aliaZ 12:33:57 01/25/08 Don't have to, that's Kenny's job on this forum. (n/m) - AZHeat 12:36:36 01/25/08 ...and you're my one-man fanclub =). (n/m) - Kenny 12:45:18 01/25/08 You don't give yourself enought credit here. (n/m) - AZHeat 12:48:01 01/25/08 *wipes tears from eyes* - ENVYMYZ 13:14:55 01/25/08 Hey, hey Kenny. I'm your FAN! (n/m) - Keaner 13:41:15 01/25/08 We already all know this. It just screws all of us - SeedyROM 10:49:17 01/25/08 That sucks! (n/m) - Piranha(AZ) 10:52:48 01/25/08 I'm on the fence on whether to pay for production tooling - CaliguyPurdue (redesigning) 12:43:24 01/25/08 Exactly. Case in point: the Z car. - cherry 10:54:31 01/25/08 I guess I owe Jag an apology for purchasing my Z. Yeah right - NICKFLO13 11:02:12 01/25/08 Seriously? That's your argument? - ben7021 11:11:47 01/25/08 Read more. (n/m) - cherry 13:07:03 01/25/08 influenced != copied (n/m) - Barry'z (NJ) 14:48:38 01/25/08 Welcome to the "real world" - you are correct sir. - Hawkin"Z" 11:25:09 01/25/08 Well said. Love your Z btw...one of my favorites. (n/m) - MAD_96TT(MO) 17:44:36 01/25/08 Sad to say, but a Patent is must to protect or slow - Piranha(AZ) 10:33:13 01/25/08 most small shops don't have a legal team on retainer - aliaZ 11:04:32 01/25/08 Are the AMS manifolds made in China? (n/m) - Piranha(AZ) 11:13:20 01/25/08 Yes they are - aliaZ 14:37:11 01/25/08 Wow thats cheap! (n/m) - Piranha(AZ) 14:43:37 01/25/08 Look at the HKS BOV, Is that the one Z1 Is selling link insi - Eishozzzz 04:17:49 01/26/08 A good estimate is approx. $10K for a simple US patent - kuah@splparts.com 11:33:47 01/25/08 yep (n/m) - aliaZ 11:39:33 01/25/08 So I guess this whole situation is the alternative? (n/m) - Piranha(AZ) 11:49:03 01/25/08 Yup, there is no real alternative - kuah@splparts.com 12:07:28 01/25/08 Sounds good to me :) (n/m) - Piranha(AZ) 12:09:52 01/25/08 That is usually how it works. You have to market yourself - AZHeat 12:14:04 01/25/08 it's a tough business to be in (n/m) - CRAZZEPETE. 12:14:34 01/25/08 you forgot the time, and costs associated with defending it. (n/m) - ni[X]it 14:24:13 01/25/08 <cuts throat> - Ash's Z 11:11:33 01/25/08 I suspect you'll be next (n/m) - aliaZ 11:17:46 01/25/08 you've never taken an existing product and improved on it? (n/m) - CRAZZEPETE. 11:22:45 01/25/08 Sure he has - and his friend told on him - Kenny 11:34:52 01/25/08 is your bookmarked list that long? or can you just pull - CRAZZEPETE. 13:10:26 01/25/08 Kenny doesn't use forum themes, he watches green source - CaliguyPurdue (redesigning) 14:33:13 01/25/08 LOL (n/m) - ZaXxon 13:30:24 01/25/08 what a lovely thread. (n/m) - Halo Z 15:44:16 01/25/08 Irony explosion. (n/m) - Kenny 11:24:11 01/25/08 LoL! :withAtwistOfLime: (n/m) - Spongerider :) 11:41:15 01/25/08 LMAO (n/m) - Tennyson (ATL) 12:27:48 01/25/08 ROFLMAO (n/m) - Spee 17:47:33 01/25/08 Umm, arent you one of the original R&D ppl :) (n/m) - Eishozzzz 04:19:33 01/26/08 What a piece of - ENVYMYZ 12:36:37 01/25/08 Could this possibly be.... - Zleepertt(MD) 13:39:01 01/25/08 I was just going to ask that... (n/m) - Aquaholic1984 13:48:45 01/25/08 it might be, and there is still no concensus - CRAZZEPETE. 13:55:43 01/25/08 Made in China - aliaZ 14:42:03 01/25/08 how do you know this for a fact? proof? :) (n/m) - MistressZ 14:48:30 01/25/08 I know people who know people :) (n/m) - aliaZ 14:52:02 01/25/08 *Deep Throat* (n/m) - AZHeat 14:56:24 01/25/08 ahhh is that what that person was needing your info for. (n/m) - Halo Z 15:45:59 01/25/08 yep (n/m) - aliaZ 16:39:34 01/25/08 glad you 2 made a love connection, ;) (n/m) - Halo Z 16:45:46 01/25/08 Unreal... anybody mind if i make my parts there? - CaliguyPurdue (redesigning) 15:02:41 01/25/08 that is what I'd do - aliaZ 15:04:49 01/25/08 Like the "A" liaZ "TEAM" (n/m) - AZHeat 15:16:40 01/25/08 stop it. (n/m) - Spee 17:56:02 01/25/08 duped..? would not be surprised. I have yet to see a post... - Tu 18:37:06 01/25/08 Well, if it's true, - Barry'z (NJ) 09:47:45 01/26/08 Except that now he'd be scared off from improving it - SeedyROM 15:08:18 01/26/08 yep (n/m) - aliaZ 15:45:24 01/26/08
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