Subject	"feels" sluggish is not the same as being slower
Posted by	kuah@splparts.com on January 04, 2008 at 11:39 AM
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In Reply To	With all we do to eliminate sluggishness, it'd be a shame posted by Guapo on January 04, 2008 at 10:05 AM
Message	shorter gears "feel" peppier because it is quicker to rev through the same range of rpms for a given gear. However in comparing actual time to pickup *speed* (ie. from x mph to y mph), there is not necessarily an advantage. In fact, longer gears will be quicker for certain ranges and shorter gears will be quicker for other ranges.
Follow Ups	5 speed close ratio gearset - East Coast Z 05:09:30 01/04/08 Re: 5 speed close ratio gearset - zx299 05:40:01 01/04/08 Just buy a set of 4.10 gears, leadergears.com most of us - Eishozzzz 05:48:24 01/04/08 They have the opposite effect. (n/m) - ZCulture 07:09:05 01/04/08 You are again making statements based on - RSR 09:00:38 01/04/08 You're wrong. Give it up. - Kenny 09:13:36 01/04/08 Quick note: - Kenny 09:19:30 01/04/08 They make sense on a modded TT. - ZCulture 07:07:55 01/04/08 not really...but it really depends on the application - aliaZ 08:55:03 01/04/08 Could you propose a DD tire/suspension setup that - ZCulture 09:44:30 01/04/08 You are going to be able to spin the tires - RSR 10:15:17 01/04/08 Speed dependent adjustable BC could be a solution. (n/m) - Kenny 10:20:06 01/04/08 speed or gear, yes. (n/m) - Guapo 10:25:50 01/04/08 AVC-r & gear judge... reduce boost in 1st. - Dallas DamonZ 10:26:47 01/04/08 Wow, I feel like a total n00b. I didn't know what "gear - Scotts94z32 11:46:23 01/04/08 2nd on that (n/m) - DoodMon(SD) 13:03:36 01/04/08 how do you like the race logic traction control ..I spin - The Devils Z 12:23:56 01/04/08 I use both- RLTC and the AVC-R. The combination works - Yoshi 14:49:57 01/04/08 It will do that for you. - Dallas DamonZ 16:40:37 01/04/08 thanks for the feedback guys .. it sucks when a car - The Devils Z 17:02:11 01/04/08 Re: thanks for the feedback guys .. it sucks when a car - Dallas DamonZ 17:51:53 01/04/08 No, that will not make the gears longer. - ZCulture 10:42:19 01/04/08 Please pay attention. - Kenny 10:50:47 01/04/08 If you don't understand the advantage of - ZCulture 10:57:39 01/04/08 You seem to think disagreeing with you is tantamount... - Kenny 11:07:01 01/04/08 Effect #2 is not insignificant. Advantage is tremendous and - ZCulture 11:18:13 01/04/08 Your own simulator says you're wrong.* - Kenny 11:23:41 01/04/08 Disagree - kuah@splparts.com 11:45:20 01/04/08 I agree with that. - Kenny 11:56:21 01/04/08 No even for drag racing either could be better - ZCulture 12:03:52 01/04/08 Don't go changing your stance now. - Kenny 12:22:45 01/04/08 lol ... " This is slightly like debating Ash ;) " (n/m) - The Devils Z 12:44:16 01/04/08 You seem to think that going to a longer gear - RSR 12:07:33 01/04/08 You're only looking at the downside of lower gear ratio. - ZCulture 10:41:18 01/04/08 What happens if - RSR 12:01:07 01/04/08 Just get some heavy blinged out wheels. ;) (n/m) - MixManMash 10:47:34 01/04/08 And a few subs for 50/50 weight distribution :) (n/m) - ZCulture 11:00:21 01/04/08 Here ya go: - Scotts94z32 11:17:00 01/04/08 I know that's why I said DD :) (n/m) - ZCulture 11:20:24 01/04/08 I know a few people (Hi Dean!) that DD with those. - Scotts94z32 11:22:20 01/04/08 you need more tire - aliaZ 11:36:43 01/04/08 In similar driving conditions how many miles - EricTTZ 12:32:24 01/04/08 Re: In similar driving conditions how many miles - aliaZ 14:40:24 01/04/08 Re: "~470RWHP daily" - what fuel do you normally run? (n/m) - Inzane 13:39:24 01/04/08 Texas premium is my guess. (n/m) - Scotts94z32 14:00:50 01/04/08 yep...93 octane FTW (n/m) - aliaZ 14:34:37 01/04/08 See my other post in this thread. - RSR 09:01:32 01/04/08 Utilize more power down low, but the car will most likely - Guapo 08:55:12 01/04/08 Yep, relatively sluggish in the first three gears. - ZCulture 09:46:28 01/04/08 With all we do to eliminate sluggishness, it'd be a shame - Guapo 10:05:39 01/04/08 not to mention diet & exercise (n/m) - ZEngineer 10:25:04 01/04/08 I never do :) (n/m) - Guapo 10:40:02 01/04/08 You introduce it to get longer gears. - ZCulture 10:52:55 01/04/08 "feels" sluggish is not the same as being slower - kuah@splparts.com 11:39:09 01/04/08 Agreed. - Kenny 11:46:16 01/04/08 I think that is over-simplified - kuah@splparts.com 11:53:10 01/04/08 I think I need to do a better job of supplying context. - Kenny 12:07:38 01/04/08 For a stock or mildly modded Z, I would agree with you - kuah@splparts.com 12:13:35 01/04/08 Everybody knows that black is the best color! - RSR 12:19:10 01/04/08 Black is the best color I do agree (n/m) - DoodMon(SD) 12:28:22 01/04/08 Cobalt green is the fastest :) (n/m) - kuah@splparts.com 15:14:14 01/04/08 putting things in context would be nice right about now - ZEngineer 12:22:54 01/04/08 tires that aren't balding help :) (n/m) - Guapo 12:36:10 01/04/08 I am just trying to keep an open mind - kuah@splparts.com 12:46:37 01/04/08 totally, 100% agreed (n/m) - Guapo 12:52:14 01/04/08 unfortunately, most here can't think in practical terms - ZEngineer 12:56:15 01/04/08 You are are flat out wrong. - Guapo 13:06:44 01/04/08 my guess is increased number of shifts, and a higher - Atl300zxTT 13:14:23 01/04/08 both negligible (n/m) - Guapo 13:18:04 01/04/08 It's not his first or last time. (n/m) - Spongerider :) 13:20:55 01/04/08 all that says is that I'll be wrong at least 3 times - ZEngineer 14:18:59 01/04/08 Touchy. :-) (n/m) - Spongerider :) 15:06:17 01/04/08 Total hits: A whole lot (n/m) - ZEngineer 15:24:40 01/04/08 You truly are handicapable. - Spongerider :) 16:00:21 01/04/08 Indeed. (n/m) - Kenny 13:48:47 01/04/08 makes the car feels 700 lbs lighter, not 400 lbs, not 900lbs - ZEngineer 14:16:48 01/04/08 he's wrong - Adam (NoVA) 14:20:22 01/04/08 you are the smart. S..M...R...T. (n/m) - ZEngineer 14:26:09 01/04/08 Yes, 700. I weighed it. 500 RPM is negligible. (n/m) - Guapo 16:36:50 01/04/08 Disagree 100% - Adam (NoVA) 13:17:03 01/04/08 I wouldn't say the differences are negligible (n/m) - kuah@splparts.com 15:22:18 01/04/08 No argument there. And maybe the gears do have an advantage - Guapo 11:46:55 01/04/08 I've been reading this thread and I agree with certain - The Devils Z 12:40:49 01/04/08 the sluggish feel was in reference to close ratio gearset, - Atl300zxTT 13:16:22 01/04/08 ahh .. reading comprehension owns me ..thanks (n/m) - The Devils Z 13:25:37 01/04/08 unless yo run sticky tires, the leader gears - JaffaUK 18:02:15 01/04/08 So then... What color should my calipers be painted again? - Gordo 93TT Daytona 15:38:03 01/04/08 Read This Post>>>> - Spectrum (WI) 23:20:37 01/04/08 Not the most Z savy member here, but I own both an NA and TT - SaucyTabasco 01:43:42 01/05/08
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