Subject	you just brought braking into it. I was talking about
Posted by	robo (sebring1970) on December 13, 2007 at 5:47 AM
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In Reply To	Re: so, regarding steering, the friction force is greater th posted by dTb on December 12, 2007 at 06:14 PM
Message	the torque required to steer the car and you mentioned the friction force so I thought you meant the friction between the tires and the road. I was wondering which was the greater force on the steering rack when turning, the angular momentum of the spinning wheels or the friction between the tires and road. The first would increase with velocity, the latter would decrease, so I believe the answer depends on how fast you're going.
Follow Ups	Wheel mass -> torque loss? - Bezza 10:56:09 12/11/07 I can't give you numbers, but the greatest rotational - robo (sebring1970) 11:08:00 12/11/07 interesting - Bezza 11:32:23 12/11/07 not just acceleration, but handling as well. - MixManMash 11:50:11 12/11/07 good info - Bezza 12:07:38 12/11/07 yeah. If it's not there, it's probably on Probetalk.com. (n/m) - MixManMash 12:28:01 12/11/07 lol, I did not see yur post before I posted mine. I was - robo (sebring1970) 12:08:07 12/11/07 It's all good. (n/m) - MixManMash 12:23:29 12/11/07 and not just accereration, handling too. heavier rotating - robo (sebring1970) 11:59:27 12/11/07 Where's a Mechanical Engineer when you need 'em? ZEngineer? - MixManMash 12:05:42 12/11/07 I wouldn't exactly trust his word on it. - Kenny 12:19:28 12/11/07 Must have missed that post. - MixManMash 12:24:10 12/11/07 LoL! (n/m) - Spongerider :) 16:02:37 12/11/07 The formulas are available online, this is basic kinematics. - Kenny 12:27:53 12/11/07 First of all, you're using made-up words like *kinematics.* - robo (sebring1970) 12:51:59 12/11/07 That's the catch... - Kenny 13:19:33 12/11/07 Bezza below is disagreeing with you. (n/m) - robo (sebring1970) 13:25:09 12/11/07 No, he isn't. - Kenny 14:11:43 12/11/07 He is pointing out that the steering torque on the wheels - robo (sebring1970) 14:44:36 12/11/07 One more time, read it again. - Kenny 15:03:12 12/11/07 since you are the self-proclaimed expert, while I already - robo (sebring1970) 15:42:21 12/11/07 If I were an expert, I'd know the *correct* definition of... - Kenny 16:01:57 12/11/07 "self-proclaimed expert" Kenny = know-it-all (n/m) - AZHeat 16:02:11 12/11/07 I don't doubt that it is correct consider them together - Bezza 15:43:50 12/11/07 *Kennymatics (n/m) - Z_Cherub 13:37:05 12/11/07 *KennyMatics* (n/m) - AZHeat 13:39:16 12/11/07 echo echo echo (n/m) - inf 13:59:27 12/11/07 "Hooked on Kennymatics" - eriksu9 15:51:35 12/11/07 Re: The formulas are available online, this is basic kinemat - Bezza 13:11:40 12/11/07 Don't you mean it's kinetics? There are forces/dynamics - MixManMash 15:29:54 12/11/07 I was going to point that out to him, but I bit my tongue. - robo (sebring1970) 15:44:24 12/11/07 I thought kinematics took mass into account. - Kenny 15:58:11 12/11/07 Ladies and Gentleman, we have an historic moment - AZHeat 16:05:41 12/11/07 Oh, he's wrong many times. This time he admitted it. - ZCulture 16:20:39 12/11/07 Why would I delete it? - Kenny 16:52:12 12/11/07 I'll admit if I'm convinced. - ZCulture 17:16:54 12/11/07 The fallacy of your claim is your shift-time variable - Kenny 17:41:15 12/11/07 #1. No one can shift a Z in 100ms. - ZCulture 18:17:15 12/11/07 What about a road course?? - Bezza 18:33:33 12/11/07 #1. Plenty can within 300 ms. - Kenny 18:52:39 12/11/07 Where is your source for your 300ms? Do you pull these - AZHeat 23:19:31 12/11/07 Kenny-Wanna-be-engineer debating with an engineer, classic (n/m) - AZHeat 18:42:29 12/11/07 Well, I do have an engineering degree. - Kenny 08:47:16 12/12/07 Demand a refund from the school. (n/m) - AZHeat 10:49:43 12/12/07 Full academic scholarship, I didn't pay a dime ;). - Kenny 13:58:53 12/12/07 Oh come on. - PennStateZ 00:35:39 12/13/07 lmao (n/m) - Kenny 08:23:07 12/13/07 *Gentlemen (n/m) - aliaZ 16:47:44 12/11/07 *a historic moment - SeedyROM 16:54:06 12/11/07 It's all good. We're all here to learn, share, and discuss, - MixManMash 16:19:26 12/11/07 <3 (n/m) - Kenny 17:06:08 12/11/07 echo echo echo (n/m) - inf 13:59:41 12/11/07 ............... - Z_Cherub 14:42:41 12/11/07 Approximate magnitude - ZCulture 13:17:10 12/11/07 sweet thanks. (n/m) - Bezza 15:58:20 12/11/07 Luke at tirerack told me that every extra 5 lbs per wheel - jmw23712 13:36:23 12/11/07 I'd imagine it more of an issue from a 5-60 street start. - Scotts94z32 15:08:43 12/11/07 Don't forget the effect it will have on braking. - not-hrz 14:44:38 12/11/07 Re: Wheel mass -> torque loss? - dTb 16:32:36 12/11/07 so, regarding steering, the friction force is greater than - robo (sebring1970) 07:33:02 12/12/07 Re: so, regarding steering, the friction force is greater th - dTb 18:14:23 12/12/07 you just brought braking into it. I was talking about - robo (sebring1970) 05:47:38 12/13/07 Re: you just brought braking into it. I was talking about - dTb 17:29:40 12/13/07 roger, that. thanks for the input. (n/m) - robo (sebring1970) 00:00:00 12/14/07
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