Subject	You're retarded.
Posted by	Kenny on March 27, 2007 at 8:56 AM
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In Reply To	Ultimate Downpipes Observations: posted by The Devils Z on March 26, 2007 at 01:30 PM
Message	"Maglito originally was going to be at Z nationals and we were going to do some dyno pulls and overlay the charts together ...but he didn't make it. Our cars are very similiar in build ( he has JWT 400 plus cams and major head work, MS manifolds , I have JWT 500 cams, some head work, and SZ inconels ~~~ other than these differences, I think we have identical mods ). So if there were any big differences ( outside of tune ), we can loosely attribute them to the downpipes ( he has SZ and I got the Labree )." I've never read a bigger load of horseshit. You have superior cams and a superior exhaust manifold and different downpipes- and you want to attribute any positive power differential to the fucking downpipes? This is a snake-oil sales pitch for a future group buy, nothing more. Come back with apples to apples - the same car with the two DPs on the dyno on the same day. Recursively Yours, Kenny... PETZ Member #5 You guys rock socks. (Click for pie-chart) Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes. - EW Dijkstra
Follow Ups	Ultimate Downpipes Observations: - The Devils Z 13:30:17 03/26/07 you know you want some of that 880 (n/m) - John@z1 13:43:49 03/26/07 ahh ..no.. can we say "shrinkage" ...lol (n/m) - The Devils Z 13:47:23 03/26/07 Could you post more info? - larryb 13:48:16 03/26/07 were they the -1,-2 or -15's? .64 or .86??? - Kong ZTT GT28RS MD 18:42:27 03/26/07 What is the progression of the OD from flange to 3" in the - Scotts94z32 13:51:05 03/26/07 Nice to see someone sweat the details! =) (n/m) - SeedyROM 16:30:21 03/26/07 And still no answers. ;) (n/m) - Scotts94z32 16:51:40 03/26/07 don't hold your breath. (n/m) - Spee 18:06:17 03/26/07 Yeah, never do get them :( (n/m) - SeedyROM 01:53:54 03/27/07 Cliffnotes: He likes 'em - ZEngineer 13:57:59 03/26/07 LOL, no kidding - Broke_as_**** 14:12:50 03/26/07 painting my car Lambo yellow shaved 2 seconds off my 1/4mile (n/m) - ZEngineer 14:31:08 03/26/07 Cutting it to what? A cool 23 even? - Broke_as_**** 14:36:35 03/26/07 Oh well - Broke_as_**** 15:39:38 03/26/07 Also takes 2 sizes off your belt loop. (n/m) - FantasyZ 20:46:09 03/26/07 Hey Big bird. What up? - eriksu9 14:51:32 03/26/07 thanks i f-in shot mucus on my keyboard (n/m) - ZiNnYc 20:22:16 03/26/07 And here I thought I was the only one that thought it was - ENVYMYZ 02:15:34 03/27/07 I was just on the phone wit john making a purchase! (n/m) - Tanzi30 14:03:29 03/26/07 One more point ... power wise the car at 18 psi - The Devils Z 14:04:49 03/26/07 It is amazing how much low and mid range power - Greg D. (Specialty-Z) 20:35:05 03/26/07 btw.............. - Greg D. (Specialty-Z) 22:41:55 03/26/07 I doubt very seriously that the torque gains that I am - The Devils Z 23:25:37 03/26/07 It doesn't matter what you doubt, you aren't an engineer. - Kenny 08:52:40 03/27/07 lol .... you just don't get what an unscientific observation - The Devils Z 09:14:46 03/27/07 An unscientific observation as subjective as yours... - Kenny 14:16:34 03/27/07 lol ..you are arguing about the future .. despite the fact - The Devils Z 15:09:35 03/27/07 wtf? (n/m) - Kenny 02:10:01 03/28/07 his dyno chart is for the 2.5 inch downpipe version not - The Devils Z 23:32:59 03/26/07 Exacty!!!! - Greg D. (Specialty-Z) 00:38:42 03/27/07 the 2.5 inch and the 3 inch designs do not have the same - The Devils Z 06:52:40 03/27/07 thanks again for the ride, it was great meeting you - Atl300zxTT 14:13:23 03/26/07 NP --- Shawn Farrah .. see what you missed :) (n/m) - The Devils Z 14:30:35 03/26/07 next time! (n/m) - sfarrah 14:35:08 03/26/07 ZCON 2007 --be there -- (n/m) - The Devils Z 14:37:03 03/26/07 How do you like the SZ incolnels? (n/m) - J-Mart 15:04:56 03/26/07 they're no longer available (n/m) - aliaZ 15:38:35 03/26/07 I know where to get a set. - J-Mart 15:48:03 03/26/07 ok - aliaZ 15:54:51 03/26/07 What would you recommend instead? - J-Mart 16:38:58 03/26/07 as always - Adam (NoVA) 15:43:29 03/26/07 Pretty much. I especially loved this line... - SeedyROM 16:26:35 03/26/07 heh... - Spee 18:08:45 03/26/07 lol ..that's funny - The Devils Z 18:54:53 03/26/07 I don't know... - Spee 20:04:32 03/26/07 stop making blanket statements .. my post above only - The Devils Z 21:05:25 03/26/07 See? - Spee 22:24:19 03/26/07 It never ceases to amaze me the sh#t talkers on here - AzHeat 22:26:22 03/26/07 Case in point (n/m) - Joe(NoVA) 22:57:12 03/26/07 I have more innovations than you for the Z32. And - AzHeat 23:27:26 03/26/07 Looked through your post history - Joe(NoVA) 23:43:58 03/26/07 You didn't look hard enough - AZHeat 23:50:24 03/26/07 Nice innovation in the 90 degree wastegate attachment (n/m) - Joe(NoVA) 00:11:12 03/27/07 It controls boost like stopping on a dime. Where - AZHeat 00:22:38 03/27/07 have you tried innovating a Z that runs? - Spee 00:57:52 03/27/07 Why should we take YOU seriously? What build up or - AZHeat 09:31:11 03/27/07 build up ? his resume says that he is a keyholder ... - The Devils Z 10:48:25 03/27/07 Not to jump into the poo fight, but quoting SL103 to help - Guapo 15:00:44 03/27/07 good point... not looking for support .. I think it's - The Devils Z 15:23:15 03/27/07 and the whiners come out... - Spee 00:55:15 03/27/07 Spee Rant - Blah blah blah clueless , idiot, blah blah - AZHeat 10:50:00 03/27/07 Like this post? - Joe(NoVA) 18:28:29 03/26/07 Im not sure thats really the same situation - ben7021 20:08:02 03/26/07 hardly. - Spee 20:42:50 03/26/07 this post is in response to questions that I have been - The Devils Z 21:11:29 03/26/07 Nothin' wrong with a group buy to save us regular - racer2fst 23:28:13 03/26/07 lol (n/m) - Spee 00:53:14 03/27/07 Dee is operating a business for his own profit - Adam (NoVA) 06:00:27 03/27/07 you only know parts of it ... not the whole picture .. - The Devils Z 06:17:52 03/27/07 Re: Dee is operating a business for his own profit - racer2fst 09:01:28 03/27/07 i'm only stating facts - why is everyone so defensive? (n/m) - Adam (NoVA) 11:01:45 03/27/07 Why is it your business or ours how he files - AZHeat 11:09:55 03/27/07 *evades (n/m) - Adam (NoVA) 12:01:59 03/27/07 *shrug* What's it to ya? (n/m) - ENVYMYZ 16:33:26 03/27/07 You are not stating facts ... show me multiple posts where - The Devils Z 14:05:15 03/27/07 He said it was an "Observation". (n/m) - AZHeat 10:59:18 03/27/07 lol (n/m) - Spee 18:10:02 03/26/07 Huh? What business owner is not looking for profit? - eriksu9 07:33:13 03/27/07 ? (n/m) - Adam (NoVA) 08:28:52 03/27/07 ofcourse he doesn't understand ..heck the same guy - The Devils Z 10:34:30 03/27/07 Wow, all this time I thought he worked at Home Depot - AZHeat 14:50:58 03/27/07 ...no he left there sometime ago.. I know Mike from - The Devils Z 15:11:52 03/27/07 You're retarded. - Kenny 08:56:49 03/27/07 I would disagree that my setup is superior to Maglito's - The Devils Z 09:19:05 03/27/07 Again you completely miss the point. - Kenny 14:24:27 03/27/07 I never said "apples to apples" .. I said a comparison to - The Devils Z 15:16:07 03/27/07 ... - maglito 09:45:38 03/27/07 Thank you. - Kenny 14:26:46 03/27/07 I think I made it pretty clear in the original post that thi - The Devils Z 15:17:22 03/27/07 Here's a totally CRAZY idea: - ENVYMYZ 16:39:42 03/27/07 If I had a set of SZ expansion downpipes I could ..the - The Devils Z 17:49:57 03/27/07 Buy them and test them yourself. - ENVYMYZ 18:20:04 03/27/07 if this was that type of post .. I would have done that - The Devils Z 19:12:58 03/27/07
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