Subject	Well, here is the short reasoning...
Posted by	Kaz (Dallas) on September 05, 2006 at 2:12 PM
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In Reply To	Of course it's cut and dry. posted by Low Sun on September 05, 2006 at 01:10 PM
Message	NA Cost versus HP gains (info is all from CZP.us) Underdrive Pulley - $190 for 16-18HP (UR) = $11.18/hp Intake - $90 for 6-8 HP (JWT) = $12.86/hp ECU - $550 for 12hp = $45.83/hp Headers - $580 for ~19hp (Stillen) = $30.53/hp $350 for ~19hp (CZP) = $18.42/hp Exhaust $620 for ~10hp (HKS) = $62.00/hp $849 for ~12hp (Borla) = $70.75/hp TwinTurbo Swap (not found on CZP.us) $3000 for ~88hp (stock TT) = $34.00/hp - That's $1500 for an engine, and $1500 for labor. Granted no one can really do a swap for that little, but still... even if you inflate that to $4000 or even $5000, its still only $45/hp and $57/hp... Still cheaper than Headers, or even an exhaust for the gains!! =) SOOOOO... Take everyone's suggestions to heart... trying to get POWER out of an NA VG30DE is like throwing money out the window... don't bother, just do the cheaper/easier stuff, like the Intake and Underdrive Pulley, and put the rest of the money in the bank, and save for a TT. You'll thank yourself later. Congrats on the car though, and welcome to the forum! Kaz (Dallas) Now with 100% more Z! '97 A32 Maxima SE [For Sale!] '03 Z33 Fairlady Z Track '06 A34 Maxima SE (6Spd) AIM - KaZsMiR / E-mail - kazsmir@gmail.com
Follow Ups	Finally - Low Sun 12:27:33 09/05/06 Seems like you are on the right track - Mickie 12:30:07 09/05/06 save urself some $$$ and forget headers, ecu, and doolz. (n/m) - stockplayerz(nyc) 12:37:49 09/05/06 Please, elaborate. (n/m) - Low Sun 12:59:58 09/05/06 His post is pretty cut & dry. (n/m) - YugoBernie (NoVA) 13:07:24 09/05/06 It's too late, he's already caught in the NA trap. - SactoTodd 13:20:06 09/05/06 so why dont we all point and laugh at the new guy who has - LJZTT 17:24:58 09/05/06 Look, you guys! Is this a civil human being I see? - Low Sun 17:42:40 09/05/06 dont sweat it man, you have your goals, should they change - LJZTT 17:51:06 09/05/06 I understand. - Low Sun 18:02:33 09/05/06 I couldn't care less if he buys an NA or TT. - SactoTodd 17:44:00 09/05/06 When did I say anything about "massive power"? - Low Sun 17:58:11 09/05/06 Define "reasonably strong". - SactoTodd 18:06:42 09/05/06 280-290. (n/m) - Low Sun 18:11:07 09/05/06 to the ground, or at the crank? - SactoTodd 18:13:25 09/05/06 At the crank. - Low Sun 18:18:06 09/05/06 not massive (n/m) - LJZTT 02:47:08 09/06/06 and so we should just assume he is a stupid kid because even - LJZTT 18:03:21 09/05/06 He was given reasonable, sound advice. You're the only - Guapo 18:11:38 09/05/06 right, "blowing smoke up his ass"....ok - LJZTT 18:27:08 09/05/06 You're the only one with the lousy attitude. (n/m) - Guapo 18:37:59 09/05/06 keep it up, you're doing all the work (n/m) - LJZTT 02:14:36 09/06/06 Re: and so we should just assume he is a stupid kid because even - SactoTodd 18:17:38 09/05/06 There's a difference between stupidity, and ignorance. - Low Sun 18:20:32 09/05/06 He means the doolz are complete overkill - jmoore010 13:20:37 09/05/06 I disagree - sfpearl300zTT 15:09:35 09/05/06 and I disagree with your disagreement (n/m) - Guapo 15:15:34 09/05/06 Be happy with what you got - FairLady's Man 16:36:57 09/05/06 I bet there are alot of people who would trade their - WAGGZ 12:42:33 09/05/06 Re: I bet there are alot of people who would trade their - Low Sun 12:47:32 09/05/06 eibachs really are more like the aftermarket alternative to - LJZTT 17:36:14 09/05/06 Intake, underdrive pulley for "power" Done. - YugoBernie (NoVA) 12:53:01 09/05/06 Of course it's cut and dry. - Low Sun 13:10:52 09/05/06 I'd take 99% of the information Bernie gives me as gospel - BigTDogg (MA) 13:16:31 09/05/06 the $ and labor to benefit ratio is not favorable - Guapo 13:18:02 09/05/06 $1000 + for a decent exhaust (B&B or Labree) for 10-15hp - rufflez 13:27:49 09/05/06 exhaust doesn't have to cost $1k+, and it will give - Guapo 13:38:36 09/05/06 sure, if you don't get SS and not resonated... - rufflez 13:53:39 09/05/06 the ECU isn't worth the cost period. And good luck getting - Guapo 13:59:50 09/05/06 I think you're missing my point. Both mods are not - rufflez 15:21:20 09/05/06 You're missing my point. - Guapo 15:33:23 09/05/06 we picked up 26 whp with a ecu upgrade on a NA - ztunerz 16:04:23 09/05/06 LoL. (n/m) - YugoBernie (NoVA) 16:08:18 09/05/06 right (n/m) - Guapo 16:12:56 09/05/06 You have E-mail.............. (n/m) - Kyle(Houston) 16:20:25 09/05/06 Pm'ing (n/m) - ztunerz 16:31:34 09/05/06 Sweet! tt.net has PM! (n/m) - Scotts94z32 16:53:18 09/05/06 snide ! (n/m) - ztunerz 19:25:10 09/05/06 proof >> - ztunerz 16:30:45 09/05/06 pic is dead in your link - LJZTT 18:09:50 09/05/06 fixing - it won't matter anyway (n/m) - ztunerz 19:26:41 09/05/06 sad but true..... (n/m) - LJZTT 02:15:51 09/06/06 ??? - Dallas DamonZ 07:37:58 09/06/06 rust? - SactoTodd 14:13:05 09/05/06 On an NA maybe 20, but mine rusted out in less than 5 - BigTDogg (MA) 14:21:27 09/05/06 He's in Ca. ;) (n/m) - SactoTodd 14:37:22 09/05/06 Yeah, I'm in FL. It'd rust in less than 5 here. - rufflez 15:06:44 09/05/06 SpecialtyZ would replace that exhaust for free if it did :) (n/m) - SeedyROM 18:52:54 09/05/06 Dude, are you Greg's bitch or what? - lakerdude42 00:15:36 09/06/06 There's a lifetime warranty, that's all he said. - Kenny 00:25:42 09/06/06 I have no issues with him, just get sick of seeing the same - lakerdude42 00:31:50 09/06/06 I'm sorry words on a screen get you so uncontrollably pissy. - SeedyROM 03:43:29 09/06/06 Yeah, because I just hate you so much... - lakerdude42 12:44:03 09/06/06 Lifetime on aluminized as well? Does that cover downpipes? (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 09:22:22 09/06/06 Pretty sure it does (n/m) - SeedyROM 10:03:49 09/06/06 Well, here is the short reasoning... - Kaz (Dallas) 14:12:47 09/05/06 And then its ridiculously cheap comparatively speaking - Kaz (Dallas) 14:25:24 09/05/06 bravo to this man, treading where the crabby babies dare not - LJZTT 17:30:53 09/05/06 Geat reply - interesting to see the breakdown - TT XTZ 11:02:36 09/06/06 Tough. (n/m) - YugoBernie (NoVA) 14:52:26 09/05/06 lol (n/m) - Kaz (Dallas) 15:46:37 09/05/06 discussions are frowned upon here by certain members who - LJZTT 16:56:54 09/05/06 Quit whining. He got plenty of sound advice. (n/m) - Guapo 17:35:59 09/05/06 if you dont like piss poor behavior called out on, tough - LJZTT 17:43:19 09/05/06 (Total Hits: 33,721). - Spongerider :) 17:54:57 09/05/06 Let the addiction begin (n/m) - Izzy 13:30:55 09/05/06 welcome - ARA300ZX 14:42:18 09/05/06 2nd. I was content with my NA until John at Z1 took me for - S.Watson (Savannah, GA) 15:32:26 09/05/06 From a former NA owner..... - Crim 14:52:23 09/05/06 I couldn't tell a difference either, the engine is louder - WildBillZx 15:15:29 09/05/06 I did intake/exhaust on my Maxima and it never felt faster - BummedOutMonkey 18:52:31 09/05/06 I'm an NA Mod man, caught the bug quickly... - CRAZZEPETE. 15:40:38 09/05/06 Re: I'm an NA Mod man, caught the bug quickly... - SactoTodd 18:45:05 09/05/06 go dyno, i bet you wont pass 212whp (n/m) - SpecNATT (Houston) 20:29:40 09/05/06 Re: Finally - Low Sun 17:34:19 09/05/06 Okay. Good luck. (n/m) - Guapo 17:37:04 09/05/06 I'm the NA purist around here. - Zownr4life 17:59:14 09/05/06 Trust me - Low Sun 18:05:05 09/05/06 Haha, it's the truth. Like I said, I rode in Jons TT - lakerdude42 12:45:51 09/06/06 You're heading in the wrong direction from the get-go >> - my91z 18:31:15 09/05/06 2nd! - LJZTT 02:22:50 09/06/06 NA power tips and reference. - SpecNATT (Houston) 20:25:25 09/05/06 *no selectable* (n/m) - SpecNATT (Houston) 20:52:34 09/05/06 LOL (n/m) - sfpearl300zTT 11:57:21 09/06/06
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