Subject	I'd take 99% of the information Bernie gives me as gospel
Posted by	BigTDogg (MA) on September 05, 2006 at 1:16 PM
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In Reply To	Of course it's cut and dry. posted by Low Sun on September 05, 2006 at 01:10 PM
Message	Unless I feel like challenging him, for fun. He's right though, the gains of headers versus the bitch of an install is not worth it. Intake, exhaust, and UDP, that's all you need. No twin power ignition, no ECU, no dools. Why? Because there are no turbos. Basically that simple. You CAN dump $10K into an NA and get it as fast as a stock TT, to be different I suppose. But, here is the up side: you still have a very sexy car, which can handle amazingly well. Upgrade your brakes and suspension, and many if not all those components can be carried over to a TT if you decide to go that route later on. Enjoy your ride! "...Downpipes own. They own everything...anything...all there ever was and will be...they should be stock on all cars. Screw the environment, emissions, noise! I love them...I shall name my first-born after them with glee..." - SeedyRom 05:13:20 10/03/02 "i love the cock" - genic 22:20:47 09/25/03 "I hope you get fucked in the ass with a pringles can." - ni[X]it 14:53:53 02/02/06 "Either ignore him or beat him up. Anything else will be over his head." - Marshall 12:28:23 08/18/04 z32baby: yeah, my memory sucks balls DJ Juiced: What's your memory doing this friday night? ;) "i've got to the point where i can drive the Z at its limits and i want more" - shadowZ 16:29:56 08/31/04 "I was way more timid then than I am now about getting in there and yanking on things." - TT XTZ 13:30:34 07/25/05
Follow Ups	Finally - Low Sun 12:27:33 09/05/06 Seems like you are on the right track - Mickie 12:30:07 09/05/06 save urself some $$$ and forget headers, ecu, and doolz. (n/m) - stockplayerz(nyc) 12:37:49 09/05/06 Please, elaborate. (n/m) - Low Sun 12:59:58 09/05/06 His post is pretty cut & dry. (n/m) - YugoBernie (NoVA) 13:07:24 09/05/06 It's too late, he's already caught in the NA trap. - SactoTodd 13:20:06 09/05/06 so why dont we all point and laugh at the new guy who has - LJZTT 17:24:58 09/05/06 Look, you guys! Is this a civil human being I see? - Low Sun 17:42:40 09/05/06 dont sweat it man, you have your goals, should they change - LJZTT 17:51:06 09/05/06 I understand. - Low Sun 18:02:33 09/05/06 I couldn't care less if he buys an NA or TT. - SactoTodd 17:44:00 09/05/06 When did I say anything about "massive power"? - Low Sun 17:58:11 09/05/06 Define "reasonably strong". - SactoTodd 18:06:42 09/05/06 280-290. (n/m) - Low Sun 18:11:07 09/05/06 to the ground, or at the crank? - SactoTodd 18:13:25 09/05/06 At the crank. - Low Sun 18:18:06 09/05/06 not massive (n/m) - LJZTT 02:47:08 09/06/06 and so we should just assume he is a stupid kid because even - LJZTT 18:03:21 09/05/06 He was given reasonable, sound advice. You're the only - Guapo 18:11:38 09/05/06 right, "blowing smoke up his ass"....ok - LJZTT 18:27:08 09/05/06 You're the only one with the lousy attitude. (n/m) - Guapo 18:37:59 09/05/06 keep it up, you're doing all the work (n/m) - LJZTT 02:14:36 09/06/06 Re: and so we should just assume he is a stupid kid because even - SactoTodd 18:17:38 09/05/06 There's a difference between stupidity, and ignorance. - Low Sun 18:20:32 09/05/06 He means the doolz are complete overkill - jmoore010 13:20:37 09/05/06 I disagree - sfpearl300zTT 15:09:35 09/05/06 and I disagree with your disagreement (n/m) - Guapo 15:15:34 09/05/06 Be happy with what you got - FairLady's Man 16:36:57 09/05/06 I bet there are alot of people who would trade their - WAGGZ 12:42:33 09/05/06 Re: I bet there are alot of people who would trade their - Low Sun 12:47:32 09/05/06 eibachs really are more like the aftermarket alternative to - LJZTT 17:36:14 09/05/06 Intake, underdrive pulley for "power" Done. - YugoBernie (NoVA) 12:53:01 09/05/06 Of course it's cut and dry. - Low Sun 13:10:52 09/05/06 I'd take 99% of the information Bernie gives me as gospel - BigTDogg (MA) 13:16:31 09/05/06 the $ and labor to benefit ratio is not favorable - Guapo 13:18:02 09/05/06 $1000 + for a decent exhaust (B&B or Labree) for 10-15hp - rufflez 13:27:49 09/05/06 exhaust doesn't have to cost $1k+, and it will give - Guapo 13:38:36 09/05/06 sure, if you don't get SS and not resonated... - rufflez 13:53:39 09/05/06 the ECU isn't worth the cost period. And good luck getting - Guapo 13:59:50 09/05/06 I think you're missing my point. Both mods are not - rufflez 15:21:20 09/05/06 You're missing my point. - Guapo 15:33:23 09/05/06 we picked up 26 whp with a ecu upgrade on a NA - ztunerz 16:04:23 09/05/06 LoL. (n/m) - YugoBernie (NoVA) 16:08:18 09/05/06 right (n/m) - Guapo 16:12:56 09/05/06 You have E-mail.............. (n/m) - Kyle(Houston) 16:20:25 09/05/06 Pm'ing (n/m) - ztunerz 16:31:34 09/05/06 Sweet! tt.net has PM! (n/m) - Scotts94z32 16:53:18 09/05/06 snide ! (n/m) - ztunerz 19:25:10 09/05/06 proof >> - ztunerz 16:30:45 09/05/06 pic is dead in your link - LJZTT 18:09:50 09/05/06 fixing - it won't matter anyway (n/m) - ztunerz 19:26:41 09/05/06 sad but true..... (n/m) - LJZTT 02:15:51 09/06/06 ??? - Dallas DamonZ 07:37:58 09/06/06 rust? - SactoTodd 14:13:05 09/05/06 On an NA maybe 20, but mine rusted out in less than 5 - BigTDogg (MA) 14:21:27 09/05/06 He's in Ca. ;) (n/m) - SactoTodd 14:37:22 09/05/06 Yeah, I'm in FL. It'd rust in less than 5 here. - rufflez 15:06:44 09/05/06 SpecialtyZ would replace that exhaust for free if it did :) (n/m) - SeedyROM 18:52:54 09/05/06 Dude, are you Greg's bitch or what? - lakerdude42 00:15:36 09/06/06 There's a lifetime warranty, that's all he said. - Kenny 00:25:42 09/06/06 I have no issues with him, just get sick of seeing the same - lakerdude42 00:31:50 09/06/06 I'm sorry words on a screen get you so uncontrollably pissy. - SeedyROM 03:43:29 09/06/06 Yeah, because I just hate you so much... - lakerdude42 12:44:03 09/06/06 Lifetime on aluminized as well? Does that cover downpipes? (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 09:22:22 09/06/06 Pretty sure it does (n/m) - SeedyROM 10:03:49 09/06/06 Well, here is the short reasoning... - Kaz (Dallas) 14:12:47 09/05/06 And then its ridiculously cheap comparatively speaking - Kaz (Dallas) 14:25:24 09/05/06 bravo to this man, treading where the crabby babies dare not - LJZTT 17:30:53 09/05/06 Geat reply - interesting to see the breakdown - TT XTZ 11:02:36 09/06/06 Tough. (n/m) - YugoBernie (NoVA) 14:52:26 09/05/06 lol (n/m) - Kaz (Dallas) 15:46:37 09/05/06 discussions are frowned upon here by certain members who - LJZTT 16:56:54 09/05/06 Quit whining. He got plenty of sound advice. (n/m) - Guapo 17:35:59 09/05/06 if you dont like piss poor behavior called out on, tough - LJZTT 17:43:19 09/05/06 (Total Hits: 33,721). - Spongerider :) 17:54:57 09/05/06 Let the addiction begin (n/m) - Izzy 13:30:55 09/05/06 welcome - ARA300ZX 14:42:18 09/05/06 2nd. I was content with my NA until John at Z1 took me for - S.Watson (Savannah, GA) 15:32:26 09/05/06 From a former NA owner..... - Crim 14:52:23 09/05/06 I couldn't tell a difference either, the engine is louder - WildBillZx 15:15:29 09/05/06 I did intake/exhaust on my Maxima and it never felt faster - BummedOutMonkey 18:52:31 09/05/06 I'm an NA Mod man, caught the bug quickly... - CRAZZEPETE. 15:40:38 09/05/06 Re: I'm an NA Mod man, caught the bug quickly... - SactoTodd 18:45:05 09/05/06 go dyno, i bet you wont pass 212whp (n/m) - SpecNATT (Houston) 20:29:40 09/05/06 Re: Finally - Low Sun 17:34:19 09/05/06 Okay. Good luck. (n/m) - Guapo 17:37:04 09/05/06 I'm the NA purist around here. - Zownr4life 17:59:14 09/05/06 Trust me - Low Sun 18:05:05 09/05/06 Haha, it's the truth. Like I said, I rode in Jons TT - lakerdude42 12:45:51 09/06/06 You're heading in the wrong direction from the get-go >> - my91z 18:31:15 09/05/06 2nd! - LJZTT 02:22:50 09/06/06 NA power tips and reference. - SpecNATT (Houston) 20:25:25 09/05/06 *no selectable* (n/m) - SpecNATT (Houston) 20:52:34 09/05/06 LOL (n/m) - sfpearl300zTT 11:57:21 09/06/06
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