Subject	Thanks for taking the time to give us some feedback, Greg.
Posted by	Ash's Z on July 26, 2006 at 9:42 AM
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In Reply To	Seb's car vs Dee's car (CAN OF WORMS!) posted by Greg D. (Specialty-Z) on July 26, 2006 at 09:21 AM
Message	I dont have much disagreement with you on this and I think we are all getting the last of those worms bottled back up. :) There is no alterior intention in the comparisons and I apologize if I may have appeared to simplify some things - unfortunately we all lack the data to make a really good apples to apples comparison, but even despite this, the dyno numbers/spoolup response is what it is and I feel there is some value in looking at how these three different cars are performing. For now, it is the best any of us can do. I see everything you are seeing and am thrilled to hear that you guys are continuing testing on Seb's car - given that we are also doing the same on Dee's car as well as my own, we will all stand to gain valuable insight into how all of these variations come to affect the system as a whole. I am still under the belief that the .86 is a bit too large for our engines and I think once all the other upgrades are done to Seb's and Dee's car and we get them tuned out, it will be clearer to all of us what really is the case. I honestly do not know the answer and have only my seat of pants to fly on with the data I've seen so far, so my presumption is only a presumption. :) I'm just happy to see that we can peacefully disagree and turn that disagreement into the enthusiasm that drives us to go further. :) On a similar note: I am getting Dee's black car together this week (engine/trans) so I can install it and will begin building the final piping pattern set for the 2.5" intake plumbing. It will be a few weeks before it goes into production, but I would still like to get a set of them over to you for your car, and perhaps Seb's car as well so that we can try to make this all an apples to apples comparison: at the least, it would be a good upgrade for both of your cars. I'll keep you posted on it though. Thanks again! [ ashspecz.com ] [ agpowers@bellsouth.net ] Enthusiasts soon understand each other. --W. Irving. Are you an enthusiast? If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor. Albert Einstein
Follow Ups	Seb's car vs Dee's car (CAN OF WORMS!) - Greg D. (Specialty-Z) 09:21:41 07/26/06 Cliffs: "Dee has 3" parts." - Kenny 09:26:26 07/26/06 Thanks for taking the time to give us some feedback, Greg. - Ash's Z 09:42:14 07/26/06 No Worries.....It might be helpful if you could post a chart - Greg D. (Specialty-Z) 10:39:37 07/26/06 Good suggestion! Here it is: - Ash's Z 11:16:40 07/26/06 Thanks for posting that........... - Greg D. (Specialty-Z) 15:02:18 07/26/06 Looking forward to seeing the results of your creations. - Ash's Z 17:22:50 07/26/06 agreed - aliaZ 10:07:02 07/26/06 I couldn't agree with you more. - Ash's Z 10:17:24 07/26/06 But it's not about "7 PSI" - bankruptedz 10:37:05 07/26/06 Re: But it's not about "7 PSI" - Ash's Z 10:50:33 07/26/06 No but you are/will be trying to sell stuff - bankruptedz 13:07:49 07/26/06 I do run a business that specializes in Z32 aftermarket - Ash's Z 13:41:27 07/26/06 You must have missed the point - bankruptedz 13:52:31 07/26/06 So you dont like how I have put it out there. - Ash's Z 14:07:47 07/26/06 I guess were both confused - bankruptedz 14:05:25 07/26/06 This may help >> - Ash's Z 14:10:07 07/26/06 no no...Ash i get it my friend - bankruptedz 14:11:50 07/26/06 also... - aliaZ 10:41:31 07/26/06 Yes, it likely is making a difference. - Ash's Z 10:56:57 07/26/06 yep (n/m) - aliaZ 11:16:58 07/26/06 pics of modified stillen outlets - aliaZ 10:33:24 07/26/06 Good to know - I posted a dyno comparison of Dee's setup - Ash's Z 11:21:54 07/26/06 An interesting test you can run NOW off the dyno - bankruptedz 10:15:08 07/26/06 We did that on Dee's car. The Stillen ICs had a ~3psi - Ash's Z 10:20:52 07/26/06 ah...right - bankruptedz 10:30:53 07/26/06 How do you suggest he determine the VE of the engine - Ash's Z 10:58:15 07/26/06 what is VE short for? (n/m) - moxie 11:38:04 07/26/06 volumetric efficientcy - ZJeweler 11:50:04 07/26/06 heh, efficiency... - Scotts94z32 12:43:40 07/26/06 Thanks, I think I'll do that...... (n/m) - ZJeweler 16:53:26 07/26/06 Me don't know - bankruptedz 12:41:05 07/26/06 I'm confused by why you would say that it is all about - Ash's Z 14:31:32 07/26/06 Re: I'm confused by why you would say that it is all about - bankruptedz 12:08:12 07/27/06 Agreed. :) - Ash's Z 13:17:48 07/27/06 Question - if you read this - bankruptedz 20:58:34 07/27/06 I am using the OEM 4-bolt .63 A/R turbine housings - Ash's Z 10:15:24 07/28/06 I say take both to the dragstrip and show me the MPH. :-) (n/m) - Arnel 12:06:39 07/26/06 There you go :) (n/m) - Piranha(Omaha) 12:22:56 07/26/06 That's what i say.... (n/m) - bankruptedz 12:37:23 07/26/06 As if that would minimize variables... ;-) - Ash's Z 13:10:57 07/26/06 Thats what iam talking about. but unlikely (n/m) - MikeVar82 15:52:08 07/26/06 Let's also not forget that I am running solid - Seb (specialty-Z) 12:15:58 07/26/06 Why the switch then? (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 12:29:28 07/26/06 Well, having HD Valve Springs detoriorates - Seb (specialty-Z) 12:47:40 07/26/06 That would explain why my gears leaked worse - BigTDogg (MA) 12:52:49 07/26/06 He's talking about the valve springs, not the VTC springs. (n/m) - Dave N 13:02:43 07/26/06 So the valve springs affect the VTC intake cams? (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 13:13:30 07/26/06 Physics 101. More force is required to act against the - Dave N 13:36:18 07/26/06 Makes sense, but I guess I should have phrased my - BigTDogg (MA) 13:49:31 07/26/06 It should be noted that I didn't point and laugh in my reply - Dave N 14:25:50 07/26/06 I know when you're pointing and laughing, no worries :) (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 15:07:44 07/26/06 No, the upgrade for the VTC springs is supposed to HELP, - Z-Jay (Edmonton, AB) 15:02:51 07/26/06 There are a number of differences between the three - Ash's Z 13:07:53 07/26/06 sig check - aliaZ 13:52:36 07/26/06 seriously (n/m) - Joe(NoVA) 15:06:15 07/26/06 sirusly (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 15:08:06 07/26/06 I'm lost. - Ash's Z 17:17:24 07/26/06 I took it to mean it gets frustrating talking to a wall - Joe(NoVA) 10:36:51 07/27/06 well - aliaZ 12:15:33 07/27/06 Consider that we both understand what is going on here, - Ash's Z 12:50:56 07/27/06 "Mental masterbation?"....No! - I-xclr8 21:01:20 07/26/06 And even if we did it one variable at a time, you would have - Ash's Z 11:09:54 07/27/06
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