Subject	Gruppe M cryogenic intake system
Posted by	brahmabull (NoVA) on January 19, 2006 at 1:25 PM
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Message	Gruppe M tuner guru Mamoru Ogose talked up one of the wildest ideas to hit the internal-combustion engine in some time: a cryogenically cooled intake system that practically freezes the intake charge before it enters the combustion chamber. Ogose promises impressive power gains to any car. This was shown at the 2006 Tokyo Auto Salon. Thoughts? Seems like it could add a lot of power to a Twin Turbo and an NA.
Follow Ups	Gruppe M cryogenic intake system - brahmabull (NoVA) 13:25:15 01/19/06 interesting, surprised no one else thought of this before (n/m) - mousersix (San Antonio) 13:27:12 01/19/06 I'll try to find the link - it's been discussed before. (n/m) - Scotts94z32 14:29:07 01/19/06 cool, thanks (n/m) - mousersix (San Antonio) 14:48:20 01/19/06 It doesn't seem like a cooler like that has nearly enough - U ZCREAM (The Lifestyle) 13:31:12 01/19/06 ding - aliaZ 13:50:05 01/19/06 Great idea, seems like it would give significantly more - BondzTT 13:32:19 01/19/06 I might be wrong, but wouldn't this produce a huge stress on - Alex'sVG30DETT (SoFL) 13:32:50 01/19/06 I would think it would help keep engine temp. down actually. (n/m) - brahmabull (NoVA) 13:34:21 01/19/06 It's tempting to berate you for that post. - Kenny 13:40:30 01/19/06 Did you just get roundhouse kicked by Chuck Norris? - Zeus 13:42:51 01/19/06 I'm feeling resplendent, thanks for asking. (n/m) - Kenny 13:44:19 01/19/06 Double Damn! 8^) (n/m) - 300zxquire 14:16:19 01/19/06 Damn! 8^) (n/m) - 300zxquire 14:15:41 01/19/06 this is not the kenny i know... (n/m) - charizma 14:06:31 01/19/06 psstt...he's what we call a "neutered-newlywed" :-) (n/m) - Dave N 14:22:35 01/19/06 i know this... ;)~ (n/m) - charizma 14:24:36 01/19/06 Don't be jealous just because your wife is all wrinkly. (n/m) - Kenny 15:24:06 01/19/06 Play nice. Spouses should be off limits. (n/m) - 300zxquire 17:07:11 01/19/06 Oh I don't even know if he's married. - Kenny 17:16:15 01/19/06 You talk pretty brave for someone not going to ZCON06 :-) - Dave N 17:24:01 01/19/06 I'm a lamb in wolf's clothing. - Kenny 17:30:50 01/19/06 I prefer the wolf one myself - - TT XTZ 19:02:59 01/19/06 Keep that up and I'll have to switch to the horse costume. - Kenny 19:16:43 01/19/06 Oooo! Is that a threat? - TT XTZ 20:12:56 01/19/06 with Kenny, i'm thinking it's a promise... (n/m) - charizma 20:51:02 01/19/06 unacceptable (n/m) - Spee 17:07:20 01/19/06 That was my first thought too, but I suppose it depends - Z U N L 13:40:35 01/19/06 That's what I was getting at. And , to answer Kenny, - Alex'sVG30DETT (SoFL) 14:01:27 01/19/06 One more thing Kenny... - Alex'sVG30DETT (SoFL) 14:05:05 01/19/06 I'm pretty sure the motor will reach thermal equilibrium - BigTDogg (MA) 14:48:42 01/19/06 Your points are both valid and interesting. - Kenny 15:12:58 01/19/06 I'd guess it's using liquid Nitrogen or super cold Coke - SactoTodd 13:45:52 01/19/06 I believe it uses CO2. - brahmabull (NoVA) 13:50:26 01/19/06 I know you are just asking, and not selling, but - SactoTodd 13:56:05 01/19/06 Good point. No dyno numbers. (n/m) - brahmabull (NoVA) 14:05:48 01/19/06 would it matter if it was before or after the MAF? (n/m) - mousersix (San Antonio) 14:51:18 01/19/06 apparently not >>> - mousersix (San Antonio) 15:21:35 01/19/06 Ford did a concept with a chilled intercooler, that runs off - whatsthegoodword 13:47:06 01/19/06 Re: Cryo2 - chrisq 13:49:48 01/19/06 yeah, i saw that. - brahmabull (NoVA) 13:52:08 01/19/06 Whats the differance between this and Nitrous?? - madtdogs 13:51:33 01/19/06 Re: Whats the differance between this and Nitrous?? - Madhatter10-6 14:03:13 01/19/06 This just cools the intake air, making it more dense, - SactoTodd 14:07:38 01/19/06 I once did a study on this for a Formula SAE car... - CaliguyPurdue 14:08:50 01/19/06 good info (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 14:52:37 01/19/06 Yeah, the latent heat of vaporization of N2 isn't that high> - my91z 17:53:01 01/19/06 Air Liquide shows the same value... - CaliguyPurdue 22:40:07 01/19/06 Huh? - my91z 15:46:17 01/20/06 Ah, I thought you were saying it was not as high as I - CaliguyPurdue 17:27:27 01/20/06 There's a kit for the Z on ebay. - Woody75 (Denver) 14:20:41 01/19/06 As a mild data point. We sprayed a FMIC on an SR20DET - Scotts94z32 14:32:40 01/19/06 Is this a water or cryo spray?? Very interesting, - CaliguyPurdue 14:35:11 01/19/06 Oops, no, I can't read. :P (n/m) - CaliguyPurdue 14:36:31 01/19/06 why don't you just drive your car in 30 degree weather - Rounder 14:58:11 01/19/06 But it displaces alot of area inside the intake. I came up - WAGGZ 15:14:25 01/19/06 correction....275WHP increase (n/m) - WAGGZ 15:29:38 01/19/06 I assume you mean LIQUID nitrogen. Otherwise it was filled - Scotts94z32 16:12:06 01/19/06 wouldn't the motor explode if the air/gas combustion ratio - Rounder 16:53:48 01/19/06 No. All its doing is cooling the intake pipe cosiderably - WAGGZ 17:41:28 01/19/06 Where did he vent all the boiling nitrogen? Didnt he go - CaliguyPurdue 17:04:07 01/19/06 at first he had a vent tube coming out of the right front - WAGGZ 17:38:23 01/19/06 They did this in a Playboy porn about street racing (n/m) - lazersos 20:58:21 01/19/06
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