Subject	I can help answer your first question about swirls:
Posted by	Z-Jay (Edmonton, AB) on June 21, 2005 at 2:44 PM
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In Reply To	No wonder you guys rave about detailing... (424k of pics) posted by TT XTZ on June 21, 2005 at 02:17 PM
Message	I have to assume by your description which products you used. I'm assuming you are using Meguiar's Deep Crystal 3-step system, and the paint cleaner was the step 1 and the polish was the step 2. Am I right? The answer is: the "swirl-free" appearance you saw won't last very long, and the reason why is neither of those products actually remove swirls. The step one paint cleaner is a chemical cleaner, it doesn't really have swirl-removing capability because it contains no abrasives. Its good for removing surface oxidation and stuff like that. The step two polish you used is actually a glaze. It has a very high oil content which gives your paint the nice glow/gloss/depth. But glazes just FILL swirls, they don't remove them. That step 2 polish has a very slight abrasive level, if at all. So the step 2 isn't that useful for actual swirl removal either. Applying the wax as a last step will help lock in the protection for a while. But once the oils from the step 2 polish start to evaporate and wash off, your swirls will reappear. The only way to truly remove the swirls is to step up to a more agressive polish. Z-Jay Vice President - Edmonton Z Car Club 93 300ZX TT - Stage VI
Follow Ups	No wonder you guys rave about detailing... (424k of pics) - TT XTZ 14:17:58 06/21/05 Dang that looks really nice :) do you do requests also? - ZXRider(SoCal) 14:22:18 06/21/05 The thought did cross my mind - how refreshing on a hot day! - TT XTZ 14:25:11 06/21/05 I thought about it too... - BondzTT 14:34:56 06/21/05 Definitely NOT. If you try to pull that stunt, you won't be - Dave N 14:36:37 06/21/05 C'mon Dave... - BondzTT 14:42:33 06/21/05 donkeys and goats are welcome there, and you're not - ZEngineer 14:51:16 06/21/05 Especially after - TT XTZ 14:52:08 06/21/05 aww, do you feel left out? - BondzTT 14:55:44 06/21/05 I'm staying out of this.... - Dave N 14:57:39 06/21/05 Dave, I think that's Ian and Aaron's idea of drag racing. (n/m) - CAP927 (Boston) 15:16:14 06/21/05 Oo! Can we place bets on the winner??? - TT XTZ 20:05:44 06/21/05 dont knock it until you try it. i like the string triangles (n/m) - genic 14:37:10 06/21/05 after a tan, maybe some sit-ups...I dunno.... (n/m) - ZEngineer 14:37:16 06/21/05 you said you liked my bikini best (n/m) - JDMz32smity 14:39:51 06/21/05 damn! great job. (n/m) - Rage 14:23:55 06/21/05 bikini detailing... missing that picture... (n/m) - genic 14:24:10 06/21/05 Nice rear wheels :-) (n/m) - YugoBernie (NoVA) 14:24:45 06/21/05 In fact I was admiring them as I scrubbed them. - TT XTZ 14:25:45 06/21/05 No problem at all, they just needed a good home. (n/m) - YugoBernie (NoVA) 14:36:02 06/21/05 Glad you got the right wheels on there now. - WickedZX (NoVA) 22:26:07 06/21/05 Nice! =) - TT XTZ 10:40:31 06/22/05 Yeah I've done both for some time now. - WickedZX (NoVA) 12:57:22 06/22/05 Very cool! I'll have to talk to you about that some time. :) (n/m) - TT XTZ 16:54:06 06/22/05 Awesome..can't wait to see if with a nice wax topper :) (n/m) - Pats300zx 14:25:10 06/21/05 Thanks! I'll be sure to get a pic of that. :) (n/m) - TT XTZ 14:57:58 06/21/05 Looks real nice!! Motivates me to get on with the - Zirvana 14:29:21 06/21/05 PDR will be necessary for mine, too - TT XTZ 14:34:32 06/21/05 Don't paint the triangles, IMHO it ruins the shape and lines - YugoBernie (NoVA) 14:38:04 06/21/05 I was hoping there was some way to paint them their - TT XTZ 14:51:26 06/21/05 I'd be TOTALLY shocked if Bernie didn't have a set to sell:) (n/m) - Dave N 14:59:13 06/21/05 Oh right - btw YES I do have a clean set here. (n/m) - YugoBernie (NoVA) 15:05:21 06/21/05 *cough*commission*cough* :-) - Dave N 15:12:37 06/21/05 Of course you do. :-) - TT XTZ 15:58:31 06/21/05 I removed and repaired/repainted the Fascia on my 94TT - Zirvana 14:41:32 06/21/05 Wow, that's a lot of work! Glad it turned out well. (n/m) - TT XTZ 14:54:18 06/21/05 Sent you a few pictures...before & after. (n/m) - Zirvana 16:03:40 06/21/05 Very nice! I'll have to try that someday. (n/m) - TheTwinZ (Peru) 14:30:11 06/21/05 Try langka.com for the touch-up blobs. Looks great! (n/m) - Governor 14:31:38 06/21/05 nice :) (n/m) - Guapo 14:34:05 06/21/05 impressive (n/m) - ZEngineer 14:36:19 06/21/05 What equipment did you use to apply the polish and paint - U ZCREAM 14:40:06 06/21/05 Terry cloth rags + elbow grease, removed with microfiber - TT XTZ 16:00:21 06/21/05 Those "Terry cloth rags" could be a source of your trouble. - Z-Jay (Edmonton, AB) 17:04:43 06/21/05 Good to know - I'll check them. (n/m) - TT XTZ 20:06:54 06/21/05 I can help answer your first question about swirls: - Z-Jay (Edmonton, AB) 14:44:44 06/21/05 But your car does look great BTW! (n/m) - Z-Jay (Edmonton, AB) 14:48:16 06/21/05 You guessed right; thanks for the info. - TT XTZ 16:03:15 06/21/05 Meguiar's ScratchX for mild scratches works wonders... (n/m) - Scotts94z32 16:09:07 06/21/05 I did break that out on a couple, but they must've been too - TT XTZ 16:11:54 06/21/05 You can use it on all the metal, but not the bumpers or rock - Scotts94z32 16:24:36 06/21/05 Okay, I'll have to tackle those scratches again. - TT XTZ 16:29:33 06/21/05 Mind......gutter.......sorry. ;-) (n/m) - Dave N 16:39:02 06/21/05 Good job with the restraint there... - TT XTZ 16:42:14 06/21/05 It is SO not easy, this restraint thing..... (n/m) - Dave N 16:46:43 06/21/05 I feel your pain - - TT XTZ 16:51:54 06/21/05 2nd. (n/m) - Dave N 16:54:07 06/21/05 Nothing wrong with those products you have, you'll just need - Z-Jay (Edmonton, AB) 17:09:15 06/21/05 I had good success with the 3M Perfect-It products - Guapo 17:21:00 06/21/05 Great info - thanks! (n/m) - TT XTZ 20:08:18 06/21/05 Looks great, now get some gel on those tires! =) (n/m) - outkaZTT 14:46:17 06/21/05 Right - I knew I forgot something! - TT XTZ 16:06:02 06/21/05 Try Meguiar's Endurance...works great for me and lasts. (n/m) - outkaZTT 19:40:49 06/21/05 Looks great, clean black cars look amazing. My favorite :-) - my91z 14:53:17 06/21/05 Is the swirl remover easy to use? (n/m) - NytWolf 14:58:19 06/21/05 Yes, I just used a random orbital buffer. (n/m) - my91z 15:38:37 06/21/05 Thanks - I'm scared to use the orbital buffer - NytWolf 15:43:24 06/21/05 The Z doesn't have many "hard" edges, so you don't have > - my91z 16:04:50 06/21/05 Good to know - I feel the same as NytWolf about them - TT XTZ 16:10:50 06/21/05 Yep, you hit the nail on the head - NytWolf 16:11:19 06/21/05 Pansy, I use a high speed buffer on mine :) - zboost 21:07:26 06/21/05 Thanks for the advice! What swirl remover did you use? (n/m) - TT XTZ 16:09:54 06/21/05 One of the Mother's products as I remember. (n/m) - my91z 16:44:47 06/21/05 Very Nice Work!! (n/m) - Barry'z (NJ) 14:59:05 06/21/05 c-l-e-a-n. :-) (n/m) - Spongerider :) 15:00:46 06/21/05 great work, car looks so sweet. (n/m) - CAP927 (Boston) 15:06:14 06/21/05 looks like crap - atl300zxtt 15:17:00 06/21/05 Thanks. :-) (n/m) - TT XTZ 16:13:07 06/21/05 Now would something like this only be done on original paint - Mr. ZiNGH 15:23:10 06/21/05 =) I'm curious, do you refer to your Z as a "he" or "she"? (n/m) - Ash's Z 15:27:21 06/21/05 Generally "it", but occasionally "she" - - TT XTZ 16:14:54 06/21/05 Muhahahhaa! (n/m) - Ash's Z 17:12:01 06/21/05 Will you clean mine like that after you change my clutch? - bb300z(NoVA) 15:29:21 06/21/05 But I get such a good workout the old-fashioned way! :-P - TT XTZ 16:18:25 06/21/05 I was hoping to do it this weekend, but I'm in the middle of - bb300z(NoVA) 21:50:54 06/21/05 Shoot me some mail when you are ready to do it. - WickedZX (NoVA) 22:29:32 06/21/05 How's that going? What step are you at? - TT XTZ 10:00:42 06/22/05 Will Do. - bb300z(NoVA) 18:44:40 06/22/05 Oh man, you're not to the block yet! :-P - TT XTZ 11:32:45 06/23/05 The long thin ones that go around the plastic timing - bb300z(NoVA) 15:47:16 06/23/05 That's frustrating! - TT XTZ 16:26:13 06/23/05 If you really want to tackle that trio of rock chips, or any - dilo 15:30:57 06/21/05 Awesome, thanks for the explanation. - TT XTZ 16:20:23 06/21/05 daaammmmmmnnnn! (n/m) - E=mz² 15:33:28 06/21/05 You got e-mail (n/m) - ZXRider(SoCal) 15:52:53 06/21/05 Give some love to the DD while you're at it, would ya? ;) (n/m) - Scotts94z32 16:11:42 06/21/05 Seriously, I felt bad with it looking on... - TT XTZ 16:21:07 06/21/05 I totally understand about the rock chips... - DEEP-PURPLE 16:14:47 06/21/05 Yeah, they were really annoying when the rest looked so good - TT XTZ 16:32:27 06/21/05 I'll give you $10 to wax my car. (n/m) - Milo (Sport Z Magazine) 16:14:49 06/21/05 Is that what the kids are calling it these days... ;) (n/m) - TT XTZ 16:19:01 06/21/05 Hey now! (n/m) - CrazyGreek 22:34:49 06/21/05 Pfft....I'd pay a lot more than $10. LOL :) - Milo (Sport Z Magazine) 10:19:05 06/22/05 Thanks for clearing that up. ;-) - TT XTZ 10:43:19 06/22/05 Being "cheap" has more than 1 meaning you know! :) (n/m) - Milo (Sport Z Magazine) 14:12:58 06/22/05 You mean I don't have to pay very much for you - TT XTZ 17:19:10 06/22/05 Came out nice ..good job (n/m) - PLEAZURE in CA (SD) 16:21:10 06/21/05 Thanks for the compliments and advice! - TT XTZ 16:43:28 06/21/05 As I might have said a year ago, "Get-R-Done"... - Ash's Z 17:13:42 06/21/05 Boy howdy, she's a beaut! 8) (n/m) - TT XTZ 20:38:04 06/21/05 very nice, the paint looks awsome, - blacktwin 17:17:51 06/21/05 Do it! =) (n/m) - TT XTZ 20:10:04 06/21/05 That looks great. =) (n/m) - whitepearlz 17:22:01 06/21/05 Looks great Ash! - Spee 18:05:56 06/21/05 Hmm... I'm sure we could work out a trade! - TT XTZ 20:35:02 06/21/05 Beautiful! - SaipanZ(MP) 19:33:08 06/21/05 I honestly thought I'd get about seven replies to this one.. - TT XTZ 20:56:41 06/21/05 Looks great! I did that to my car last Spring and - Dustin 19:43:53 06/21/05 Yeah, my Virgo tendencies could easily go overboard - TT XTZ 20:58:33 06/21/05 looks good, where in NoVA are you? AIM me (n/m) - Synd 21:56:32 06/21/05 Wow Ash, your Z looks great! - WickedZX (NoVA) 22:22:02 06/21/05 Thanks - I figured I'd give you some competition. ;-) (n/m) - TT XTZ 10:01:43 06/22/05 We'll see about that! - WickedZX (NoVA) 10:28:58 06/22/05 Wow, that's very cool!! - TT XTZ 10:44:42 06/22/05 Nice Job, car is looking great - TTwinZ (CT) 00:37:51 06/22/05 Thanks! And, YES. =) (n/m) - TT XTZ 10:02:30 06/22/05
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