Subject	Allright this is ludicrous.
Posted by	Russell@Z1 on August 30, 2004 at 6:04 PM
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In Reply To	Engine is toasted and I'm at fault?!? ver long posted by red zya in ct *sport'n 600's* on August 30, 2004 at 05:34 PM
Message	After all the previous posts you finally decided to give us a call. We told you to get the motor out and we would have it picked up and shipped to Z1. Several days later it was here. I personally pulled the timing covers off spun the motor around and then started noticing several key things. We received a motor with the heat tabs that we install on the motor melted through. Those heat tabs are put on their for a reason. The black plastic on detonation sensor was melted down on the top of the block like a candle. Inside the coolant passages was stained yellow (completely in line with everything else). The car ran extemely hot; no if, ands, or buts. I am sorry to say that we don't warranty motors that have been seriously overheated. Neither does any other vendor. I'll be glad to post pics tomorrow when I have time. You went as far to say your radiator exploded in some previous posts, at that point I knew it overheated but I couldn't prove it. Nothing else caused all of this except the simple fact that the car ran low or out of coolant. Usually when they run this hot they just shut down and then later on you can start them back up, but they are usually not going to run very well due to warped heads causing loss of compression or a variety of other issues. Like getting water in the oil etc. Completely in line with what you have said. You said your radiator exploded, your car shut down, then later on it fired back up but didn't run very well. I don't know why the car overheated but that is not Z1's problem. We didn't install this motor. My guess is that it sprung a coolant leak or had some of those pesky air pockets in the coolant system. Russell Floyd Z1 Motorsports www.z1motorsports.com 1990+ Nissan Z specialists Used Parts, New parts, Service/Repair and Performance 1200 Carrollton Hwy Temple, Ga 30179 770-562-8668 770-562-8664 (fax)
Follow Ups	Engine is toasted and I'm at fault?!? ver long - red zya in ct *sport'n 600's* 17:34:38 08/30/04 Yikes, Rob.. that sucks big time. Hopefully you can 'work - Scotts94z32 17:42:28 08/30/04 heh well you wouldn't be the first to have a problem with Z1 (n/m) - spyhunter(nj) 17:44:01 08/30/04 And you wouldn't be the first to make a claim without any - aZiator 17:52:57 08/30/04 sorry, i've just seen a lot of negative posts regarding Z1 - spyhunter(nj) 18:37:44 08/30/04 Well, I am sorry if I was rude then. didn't mean to jump - aZiator 19:13:57 08/30/04 no reasoning to back it up??? - Spee 18:52:32 08/30/04 " (n/m) - Chris(NJ) 18:53:46 08/30/04 I will agree that Z1 had its share of problems with builds - aZiator 19:11:07 08/30/04 "' - ni[X]it 19:26:09 08/30/04 yup, but everyone will enjoy the bandwagon.. (n/m) - speedr300z (ATL) 19:39:48 08/30/04 agreed. (n/m) - Spee 22:02:29 08/30/04 Umm...? - ENVYMYZ 00:21:33 08/31/04 Did I make that too hard for you too understand? - Spee 17:23:32 08/31/04 HI! - ENVYMYZ 23:37:13 08/31/04 You're not helping your case with them. Really, I thought - Moxie 17:45:07 08/30/04 the guy's depressed and running out of ideas... - ZEngineer (TT) 17:48:35 08/30/04 I am not slamming him, I feel for the guy - Moxie 17:55:14 08/30/04 Re: I am not slamming him, I feel for the guy - Grateful Zed 18:04:19 08/30/04 :/ - zboost 17:51:13 08/30/04 z1 has never had a motor fail. it's all on you.... (n/m) - Halo Z 17:53:24 08/30/04 Re: z1 has never had a motor fail. it's all on you.... - silver z 18:00:11 08/30/04 Good point, I have heard of all sorts of parts failing after - aZiator 18:03:59 08/30/04 i know you are pro Z1 chris. - Halo Z 18:09:33 08/30/04 I hear you, Just trying to mitigate a little - aZiator 18:22:46 08/30/04 If it were me I would call Z1, and keep this between you and - aZiator 18:00:50 08/30/04 BIG second. (n/m) - spotz 18:21:24 08/30/04 Allright this is ludicrous. - Russell@Z1 18:04:51 08/30/04 Wait, he installed the motor? - SeedyROM 18:28:15 08/30/04 Z1 did not install the motor. - Russell@Z1 18:44:04 08/30/04 Yeah, just went through the old posts - SeedyROM 18:49:54 08/30/04 wish them luck BOO! I just lost $7500 & now I have no motor (n/m) - red zya in ct *sport'n 600's* 19:34:54 08/30/04 I wished you both luck - SeedyROM 19:44:21 08/30/04 Dude, there is 2 sides to every story (n/m) - kryptonite729 19:54:42 08/30/04 posting this here is not a bad thing... - 1hotzx 18:33:12 08/30/04 You have a point - SeedyROM 18:42:26 08/30/04 exactly correct (n/m) - red zya in ct *sport'n 600's* 19:18:32 08/30/04 "some are flaming, yes...they are turds with legs" haha - EricTTZ 19:35:38 08/30/04 So you wouldn't call the vendor before posting? - dpjax 19:50:34 08/30/04 Well I decided to go ahead and get the pics - Russell@Z1 18:42:03 08/30/04 Russel I will call you tomorrow around 4pm... - red zya in ct *sport'n 600's* 19:32:35 08/30/04 Russel can you explain the reason for the 3 turbo failure?? (n/m) - red zya in ct *sport'n 600's* 19:04:27 08/30/04 Who installed the turbos?? Who broke in the turbos? (n/m) - speedr300z (ATL) 19:10:21 08/30/04 turbos do not need to be broken in. (n/m) - Chris(NJ) 19:11:49 08/30/04 How about oil at startup? Not needed either?? (n/m) - speedr300z (ATL) 19:18:17 08/30/04 delete your old post b/c i'm right? - Chris(NJ) 19:19:56 08/30/04 No, Just keep telling myself that its not worth my time - speedr300z (ATL) 19:34:45 08/30/04 wonderful response. typical z1 fashion. (n/m) - Chris(NJ) 19:43:13 08/30/04 oh, and prove me wrong. (n/m) - Chris(NJ) 20:05:06 08/30/04 If you want to install a turbo and NOT ensure it is primed - speedr300z (ATL) 20:33:44 08/30/04 i seriously doubt that is what you meant by break in (n/m) - Chris(NJ) 20:47:18 08/30/04 sorry to step in here, but i think it's important, .>>>> - ni[X]it 21:35:38 08/30/04 and FWIW, ..>>> - ni[X]it 21:56:50 08/30/04 ok, thanks... I am not aware of any of the new Z1 turbos - speedr300z (ATL) 22:47:05 08/30/04 hi Bob! - ni[X]it 07:51:15 08/31/04 Hi Nixit, I'll agree with you on most of that... - speedr300z (ATL) 08:31:34 08/31/04 Believe me, much better than the one I originally typed.. - speedr300z (ATL) 20:45:22 08/30/04 when you ask a dumb question its a free for all. (n/m) - Chris(NJ) 20:49:48 08/30/04 So what was the dumb question? Him asking Russell why 3 of - speedr300z (ATL) 20:56:50 08/30/04 your question was the dumb one. (n/m) - Chris(NJ) 08:06:40 08/31/04 once again, a waste... (n/m) - speedr300z (ATL) 09:19:38 08/31/04 I installed the turbo with all new lines and gaskets (n/m) - red zya in ct *sport'n 600's* 19:17:25 08/30/04 Wow, that sucks!...hope that you and Z1 find a way to work - TheTwinZ (Peru) 18:13:21 08/30/04 "JWT aren't the most reliable turbo's"...good one. - SeedyROM 18:25:42 08/30/04 He's just venting so take it easy. You have vented in the - Spongerider :) 18:40:02 08/30/04 True, true - SeedyROM 18:46:25 08/30/04 Really big 2nd.. (n/m) - speedr300z (ATL) 19:21:14 08/30/04 You are going to force them to stop dealing with you... - dpjax 18:43:17 08/30/04 Re: You are going to force them to stop dealing with you... - Magnum 18:53:14 08/30/04 I wish you the best of luck w/ the motor/car, other - Chris(NJ) 18:45:47 08/30/04 can't say that I'm surprised at all. - Spee 18:50:17 08/30/04 Consistant? Consistant with selling engines to people - aZiator 19:03:03 08/30/04 You need a newer Sig. - Spongerider :) 19:07:13 08/30/04 hehe...soon enough, buddy. - Spee 21:58:52 08/30/04 Spee...if you're serious, you're an idiot - dpjax 19:56:02 08/30/04 hi - ni[X]it 19:01:24 08/30/04 Z1 assambled the water pump not me Thanks Nixit - red zya in ct *sport'n 600's* 19:11:24 08/30/04 well,either way, you should have kept all this off the forum - ni[X]it 19:25:18 08/30/04 ding! ding! ding! (n/m) - dpjax 19:53:52 08/30/04 even though Nixit can be a complete asshole... - Jason300zxTT(NoVA) 19:31:10 08/30/04 w00t w00t Jason is agreeing with Nixit. Is the world ending? (n/m) - kryptonite729 19:47:10 08/30/04 Re: even though Nixit can be a complete asshole... - ni[X]it 21:46:51 08/30/04 agreed. Z1 doesn't appear to be at fault to me (n/m) - aliaZ (broken in) 08:02:57 08/31/04 This post is more that I'm looking for advice - red zya in ct *sport'n 600's* 19:01:29 08/30/04 any aftermarket temp gauges? (n/m) - Chris(NJ) 19:02:54 08/30/04 Yes told Z1 that it was normal - red zya in ct *sport'n 600's* 19:09:01 08/30/04
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