Subject	OK, let me soften my stance:
Posted by	Technomancer on August 10, 2004 at 2:02 PM
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In Reply To	Show me where in the HP equations and the posted by AzHeat on August 10, 2004 at 01:18 PM
Message	OK, you have the speed of the drum, you have the speed of the drum an instant ago, you have the mass of the drum. Those give you current change in velocity of, and torque on, the drum. You do not have torque produced by the engine because you don't have the gear ratio. From torque on the drum you can compute power applied to the drum but you don't know to which RPM you should attribute it. So far, you have nothing but power vs drum speed. To get further, you need that RPM feed. That will give you power vs RPM, and it lets you calculate the gear ratio and give you engine torque vs RPM. Are we in agreement now? - John
Follow Ups	dyno pull-3rd or 4th gear - eriksu9 10:35:38 08/10/04 Proper gear is 4th - ImTheDevil 10:37:43 08/10/04 What are you asking? - Technomancer 10:43:43 08/10/04 4th gear is 1:1 - eroc77 10:49:16 08/10/04 I don't see why - Technomancer 10:55:08 08/10/04 It's not that 4th is more efficient - Rob'Z 11:07:32 08/10/04 Im claiming that it will give the most accurate.... - eroc77 11:11:06 08/10/04 1:1 has the least amt of friction being transferred through - Chris(NJ) 11:11:45 08/10/04 Sorry, I'm not trying to be dense here but I still don't see - Technomancer 11:28:29 08/10/04 Relax and stop overthinking it. - SeedyROM 12:57:17 08/10/04 This is the theory - Chip(GMS Racing) 13:07:15 08/10/04 "directly connected" just isn't true - Technomancer 13:19:10 08/10/04 I was regurgitating what I read somewhere - Chip(GMS Racing) 13:23:24 08/10/04 I don't think the dyno needs to know the gearing info. - Marshall 13:22:31 08/10/04 yes, I'm claiming that the number is needed as an input to t - Technomancer 13:30:53 08/10/04 4th gear is 1:1 so it will give "correct" numbers - Rob'Z 10:48:45 08/10/04 Did you forget the existence of the rear differential? - Technomancer 10:54:24 08/10/04 ? (n/m) - Chris(NJ) 11:04:44 08/10/04 Huh? So you're saying I should divide the RWHP numbers - Rob'Z 11:11:22 08/10/04 Yes, I'm saying that is what the dyno does - Technomancer 11:25:40 08/10/04 i believe 5th is only closer in a 6spd. (n/m) - Chris(NJ) 11:32:07 08/10/04 correct-5th is usually 1:1 in a 6sd - Rob'Z 11:44:33 08/10/04 Ugh you guys! Multiply by the rear diff - Technomancer 11:51:27 08/10/04 Free your mind - Rob'Z 16:10:40 08/10/04 You get no torque multiplication from the tire. (n/m) - Technomancer 16:30:44 08/10/04 Yeah I was being a little sarcastic there - Rob'Z 11:41:21 08/10/04 a lot of shops do not know how to dyno autos. kinda sad - Chris(NJ) 11:04:08 08/10/04 didn't the dyno shop you took us to ask us if our cars - ZEngineer (TT) 13:02:02 08/10/04 Use the dyno as a tuning tool, not a contest - vorpalZ 12:07:14 08/10/04 I have gotten better numbers in 4th than 3rd on the - AzHeat 12:17:37 08/10/04 Oh geez you are so wrong! - Technomancer 12:26:17 08/10/04 He is correct about turbos spooling quicker in higher gears - Chip(GMS Racing) 12:32:25 08/10/04 Yes I have nothing to say about the spooling - Technomancer 12:51:54 08/10/04 A real world example - Chip(GMS Racing) 13:21:02 08/10/04 An interesting tidbit: - Marshall 13:31:56 08/10/04 I agree, I FIRMLY believe that my car would have been faster - Chip(GMS Racing) 13:55:02 08/10/04 That's where torque mulitplications comes in a - AzHeat 12:35:30 08/10/04 you are confusing engine RPM and drum RPM - Technomancer 12:47:25 08/10/04 Show me where in the HP equations and the - AzHeat 13:18:04 08/10/04 OK, let me soften my stance: - Technomancer 14:02:03 08/10/04 Please give the mathematics equation for this - AzHeat 14:33:21 08/10/04 for what part? (n/m) - Technomancer 14:41:52 08/10/04 The gear ratio is already accounted for in the - AzHeat 15:25:42 08/10/04 yep - Technomancer 16:24:14 08/10/04 Re: dyno pull-3rd or 4th gear - eriksu9 13:42:12 08/10/04 good luck. This has been very interesting! (n/m) - Technomancer 14:03:02 08/10/04 Dyno at 1:1(or gearing closest to 1:1) to compare >> - I am Z-ing Double 15:23:59 08/10/04 I'm surprised you tech-heads haven't mentioned dyno - vorpalZ 15:59:47 08/10/04
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