Subject	I agree about retarding the timing
Posted by	Chip(GMS Racing) on December 30, 2003 at 2:16 PM
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In Reply To	Hope to answer your question here: posted by AshsZ(In Florida) on December 30, 2003 at 02:08 PM
Message	It is a much better idea to run good gas and more timing. Retarding is only a "band-aid" to cover for a condition that someone has decided to add to the equation, such as running 91 octane in a dry environment and expecting to handle 17 psi of boost.
Follow Ups	Serious question about the 4 ECU tuning thread. - Stealth021 11:36:56 12/30/03 I would never recommend or try to run 17 psi on 91 octane - Chip(GMS Racing) 11:49:13 12/30/03 To give you a better idea, ask the Cali guys how much can - Chip(GMS Racing) 11:51:47 12/30/03 More like 13 PSI. Calif went from 92 to 91 in early 2002 :-( (n/m) - Got Z? 12:06:42 12/30/03 Wow, even worse than I thought. (n/m) - Chip(GMS Racing) 12:14:40 12/30/03 That's at 72 deg F ambient. Worse on hot days. - Got Z? 23:23:00 12/30/03 I feel better about my very conservative 91 octane program. - Chip(GMS Racing) 10:56:20 12/31/03 I have three semi melted pistons from running 18 psi - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 14:25:10 12/30/03 Agreed. (n/m) - Chip(GMS Racing) 14:35:12 12/30/03 I ran 17psi all day long, no probs on 91octane, but - JayTTZ 15:12:06 12/30/03 It is based on the assumption of the type of octane - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 12:02:01 12/30/03 Don't forget altitude - xtensive 12:50:10 12/30/03 People will answer here for you, but you SHOULD read that - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 13:12:19 12/30/03 I hope Devin gets a chance to chime in too. (n/m) - MatD 13:15:37 12/30/03 Personally, I read every response. - Stealth021 13:31:01 12/30/03 Here's some food for thought too >>> - AshsZ(In Florida) 16:38:51 12/30/03 It seems from my reading that tuning for a/f is - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 16:58:56 12/30/03 Yeah, my ears... They're priceless to me. =) - AshsZ(In Florida) 17:35:56 12/30/03 interesting test...sounds familiar. - Spee 21:13:06 12/30/03 You win. - Stealth021 11:56:44 12/31/03 That's sarcasm I'd hope. (n/m) - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 12:26:28 12/31/03 50/50. =) - Stealth021 13:51:23 12/31/03 Hope to answer your question here: - AshsZ(In Florida) 14:08:00 12/30/03 I agree about retarding the timing - Chip(GMS Racing) 14:16:31 12/30/03 Is it possible to for pistons to begin melting without - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 14:26:57 12/30/03 At what boost and fuel do you run 22-23 degrees? What about - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 15:00:39 12/30/03 I run 20-22 at 1.3 Bar daily on 2530s on 93 octane - xybertron 15:08:31 12/30/03 Yeh I'm spiking at 17.5PSI on Devin chip on 92 octane in WA - StormShadow 14:23:20 12/30/03 "My mom can be a tuner too" (n/m) - AshsZ(In Florida) 18:44:19 12/30/03 So, gurus: if you all can tune a car, - dlinn 00:50:46 12/31/03
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