Subject	You can't tune a $600 JWT EPROM, or even a $300 ASHSpec one.
Posted by	SooperZ95 on December 17, 2003 at 4:56 PM
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In Reply To	Save a few bucks there, but that's already the cheap posted by AshsZ on December 17, 2003 at 04:25 PM
Message	So why are you trying to inflate the cost of getting a stageIII zcontrol EPROM? Zcontrol: Free EPROM: $2 each (Digi-Key) EPROM Burner: $130 shipped (Batronix V4) Socket Install: $25-50 (Free if you can DIY) Total cost comes in at under $182. Now granted the ASHSpec is what, about $300? But with the programmer I have the ability to burn chips that get revised, or burn chips for friends. There are plenty of people that use JWT chips, and like them. They are proven. There are also I suspect a few hundred happy ASHSpec customers. Now ZControl has only a handful of happy people, but like anything give it time. The greatest part about Zcontrol is it is entirely open-source and community supported. I hate fighting with you Ash. You're a very smart guy, and I really respect your abilities. Take care.
Follow Ups	Is this better than buying a chip from Stillen? - Choda Boy 15:37:38 12/17/03 No. Z1 or JWT ECU. Z1 is a forum sponsor, and so is - BigTDogg (MA) 15:46:42 12/17/03 ash in 3...2... (n/m) - genic 15:48:25 12/17/03 Yeah, the 925style program was a good program. - SooperZ95 15:51:07 12/17/03 Youre forgetting the $720 in hardware needed to use ZCnotrol (n/m) - AshsZ 16:01:56 12/17/03 I bought my hardware for under $80 shipped. - SooperZ95 16:06:54 12/17/03 $720 in hardware? - xtensive 16:15:06 12/17/03 Lets realistically break it down... - AshsZ 16:27:29 12/17/03 My take - xtensive 16:37:29 12/17/03 The whole post was misguided. He thought ROMEditor - AshsZ 16:44:16 12/17/03 It's as refined as JWT or Stillen - xtensive 16:53:25 12/17/03 Stillen sells JWT ECUs.. But they too have real time trace>> - AshsZ 17:25:05 12/17/03 We support each other in the Z community (Group Hug) (n/m) - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 17:27:58 12/17/03 I won't take that personal - xtensive 17:47:11 12/17/03 Are you going to start making split downpipes anytime - AshsZ 18:03:16 12/17/03 That is un-called for. (n/m) - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 18:11:20 12/17/03 I want free split downpipes. - Stealth021 20:57:46 12/17/03 tune ur ECU for free! only $8.95 - felixx23 (DFW) 15:56:27 12/17/03 Re: tune ur ECU for free! only $8.95 - genic 15:59:46 12/17/03 LOL!!! oh god that sux!! - felixx23 (DFW) 15:59:00 12/17/03 challenge - felixx23 (DFW) 16:00:04 12/17/03 That software is free, LOL.. - AshsZ 15:58:54 12/17/03 Check out the 27SF256 chips, they are electronically erasabl - SooperZ95 16:14:26 12/17/03 Save a few bucks there, but that's already the cheap - AshsZ 16:25:54 12/17/03 You can't tune a $600 JWT EPROM, or even a $300 ASHSpec one. - SooperZ95 16:56:22 12/17/03 LOL, inflating prices? You just said yourself that - AshsZ 17:15:43 12/17/03 Why don't you just suckerpunch me, lol? - SooperZ95 17:27:49 12/17/03 Then I guess we're both just missing each other's point. - AshsZ 17:49:59 12/17/03 The more accurate way to tune is on an open road - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 16:50:31 12/17/03 Joel(PA) gave his take of that.. (He has a ZEM) - AshsZ 17:19:18 12/17/03 How can road tune not be accurate? Joel even said it - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 17:24:44 12/17/03 Have you compared your A/F on the road to your A/F - AshsZ 17:26:36 12/17/03 but the load factor is different because your engine's - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 17:30:46 12/17/03 Nah, wrong there bro.. 4th gear on the dyno simulates - AshsZ 17:58:34 12/17/03 3200lbs and constant load vs. 3600lbs and increasing - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 18:09:21 12/17/03 I disagree 110%......Dyno tuned does not equal track or ---> - Kyle(Houston) 20:48:01 12/17/03 That's how we tune most of the cars out here and it works - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 18:30:27 12/17/03 Disclaimer: Easy to blow a motor. If you do not have a spare - Chip(GMS Racing) 21:20:04 12/17/03 when will you ever learn ASH, you are Not GOD.... - kabubi13(Tx) 21:46:46 12/17/03
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