Subject	Which means they would have to request the program
Posted by	AshsZ on November 07, 2003 at 3:26 PM
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In Reply To	I think such a comparison would be relatively pointless. posted by Marshall on November 07, 2003 at 03:15 PM
Message	from me for their application, but it doesn't take into account that they may have 'x' degree of boost leak, a weak fuel pump, a limpy FPR, incorrectly set base timing, etc etc etc... Then I would be providing a chip directly to them for comparison and it would undoubtedly be viewed as me making some 'hot' chip. I have several different programs for a single injector size so if a chip is used from customer 'x', what's to say that's the proper chip for the test car running the same injectors. Custom tuning is the only way to extract the most HP from your setup and a chip just isn't the thing to compare.. [ ashleypowers.com ] [ agpowers@bellsouth.net ] [ Zemulator Information Sheet ] [ Z1 Motorsports Website ] Enthusiasts soon understand each other. --W. Irving. Are you an enthusiast?
Follow Ups	Do you think that an ECU comparo between 3 different (contd) - Milo (Sport Z Magazine) 14:17:32 11/07/03 I think an unbiased test would be great (n/m) - mickiemagik(OH) 14:19:43 11/07/03 BIG 2nd - NytWolf 14:51:24 11/07/03 Yes, very good idea. (n/m) - boileralum 14:30:25 11/07/03 Somehow I think JWT isn't concerned - Janders 14:32:07 11/07/03 Re: Somehow I think JWT isn't concerned - ghoztt 14:40:59 11/07/03 In order to do it right, you need the following: - Stealth021 14:35:17 11/07/03 bravo!!! - NytWolf 14:44:44 11/07/03 Re: In order to do it right, you need the following: - Kenny 14 psi 14:47:16 11/07/03 Re: In order to do it right, you need the following: - sasha 15:10:38 11/07/03 Make sure to use some scientific experimental methods. - shirow 14:37:03 11/07/03 4. use multiple cars - Janders 14:48:06 11/07/03 How about a professional experimental design? - woreilly 16:30:05 11/07/03 I think it would be great, Not sure what "stage" car to use - aZiator 14:39:22 11/07/03 I was thinking a stage 3 would be the most practical. I - Milo (Sport Z Magazine) 14:49:56 11/07/03 What would conclude that one is better than the next? - AshsZ 14:45:43 11/07/03 Or you could send the standard Stage III chip - kryptonite729 14:49:24 11/07/03 I thought that would be the comparison he is speaking of. (n/m) - AshsZ 14:51:55 11/07/03 It is but your post seemed confusing - kryptonite729 14:56:59 11/07/03 My point is that testing for 'x' in an ECU is not - AshsZ 15:16:41 11/07/03 Points taken, but - NytWolf 15:25:49 11/07/03 You are right. I have done LOTS and LOTS of benchmarking. - Marshall 15:34:27 11/07/03 May I have this dance? - NytWolf 15:20:40 11/07/03 I have 8 different programs for 555 injectors. - AshsZ 15:22:38 11/07/03 So the test should remain standard stage III car - kryptonite729 15:25:35 11/07/03 AGREED on my part (n/m) - NytWolf 15:26:51 11/07/03 How about I send a ZEM and let the program be tuned - AshsZ 15:27:39 11/07/03 After 5 months I wondered the same thing :-) (n/m) - xybertron 15:35:02 11/07/03 offer your best ECU with a comparable price to the others it - Janders 14:50:32 11/07/03 I'd sell it for $550 if it were comparable. But we sell - AshsZ 14:52:25 11/07/03 Honestly, wasn't going to make price an issue Janders. (n/m) - Milo (Sport Z Magazine) 14:57:05 11/07/03 As long as you keep it within reason - Janders 15:06:50 11/07/03 um. dhu. (n/m) - Kenny 14 psi 15:09:44 11/07/03 I would need the company standard for a stage III no more - Milo (Sport Z Magazine) 14:56:18 11/07/03 gee .. here I thought all along Stillen sold the JWT chip (n/m) - Guapo 15:02:14 11/07/03 n00b. Stillen's has a sticker. (n/m) - Kenny 14 psi 15:05:23 11/07/03 oh .. my bad (n/m) - Guapo 15:06:05 11/07/03 ...a $100 + sticker (n/m) - Janders 15:09:12 11/07/03 If you want unbiased you would need to be an anonymous - Z Wang(Austin) 15:07:13 11/07/03 Which was my point. I dont know anyone with the BS - AshsZ 15:20:46 11/07/03 I've seen several post saying they received it. - kryptonite729 15:27:01 11/07/03 Still haven't seen any numbers from it??? (n/m) - speedr300z (ATL) 19:32:30 11/07/03 Re: What would conclude that one is better than the next? - sasha 15:13:10 11/07/03 You forgot to list Ash :) (n/m) - NytWolf 14:54:42 11/07/03 Tard. Russel = Z1 = Ashz. (n/m) - Kenny 14 psi 15:00:19 11/07/03 then I don't see any reason for his responding (n/m) - NytWolf 15:11:17 11/07/03 You must be more of a newb then your join date would suggest (n/m) - Snoguitar 15:12:51 11/07/03 I get your point - I was suggesting that Ash shouldn't (n/m) - NytWolf 15:14:58 11/07/03 Says the man with a fuel leak and no det sensor. (n/m) - xybertron 15:20:51 11/07/03 lol (n/m) - therinL 15:24:35 11/07/03 And your point is? - NytWolf 15:30:50 11/07/03 I think such a comparison would be relatively pointless. - Marshall 15:15:58 11/07/03 Exactly. (n/m) - Z Wang(Austin) 15:21:21 11/07/03 Which means they would have to request the program - AshsZ 15:26:13 11/07/03 You have good arguments - NytWolf 15:35:46 11/07/03 Re: You have good arguments - Marshall 15:40:28 11/07/03 That's why there was an argument for Stage III testing - NytWolf 15:44:57 11/07/03 I cater for different fuel types, intake config, - AshsZ 16:01:44 11/07/03 U cater specifically for Apex, JWT POP, HKS, etc? I said - NytWolf 16:10:22 11/07/03 dual/single, but there are bigger differences based - AshsZ 16:18:34 11/07/03 would there still be a difference if I ordered the 3 ECU's - NytWolf 16:22:21 11/07/03 I'm not sure what you are asking, or I at least am not - AshsZ 16:30:53 11/07/03 Perhaps I am talking in simpler terms than you have thought - NytWolf 16:44:55 11/07/03 Sorry, I can't entertain you anymore. - AshsZ 16:53:20 11/07/03 I would love to chat with you in person - believe it or not - NytWolf 16:55:30 11/07/03 I realized that. :) Which is why I shut up. - AshsZ 16:58:55 11/07/03 My reply. - Milo (Sport Z Magazine) 15:45:19 11/07/03 I want more than JUST dyno - NytWolf 15:46:59 11/07/03 I could crash test them... if you want? (n/m) - Milo (Sport Z Magazine) 15:55:51 11/07/03 hahahaHAH too bad, the gov't already did that (n/m) - NytWolf 15:57:10 11/07/03 vt - genic 16:03:33 11/07/03 D - NytWolf 16:12:15 11/07/03 Its all what people want. - xybertron 16:11:52 11/07/03 Here we go again - NytWolf 16:17:14 11/07/03 I like reverting to historical data. - AshsZ 16:23:42 11/07/03 That is still your claim - we want unbiased data - NytWolf 16:25:01 11/07/03 Well, I have a stack of JWT eproms here from people who - AshsZ 16:32:59 11/07/03 Do you offer a satisfaction guarantee? - NytWolf 16:45:47 11/07/03 Actually, I do. (n/m) - AshsZ 16:53:55 11/07/03 Thats as educated as you get until they let me post the maps - xybertron 16:28:34 11/07/03 I'll contest the '....heat is a no-no' claim. - AshsZ 16:52:30 11/07/03 You and I both know your running more timing than JWT. - xybertron 17:01:44 11/07/03 Depends on where you are looking. Remember, everything - AshsZ 17:12:45 11/07/03 Re: Thats as educated as you get until they let me post the maps - NytWolf 16:52:35 11/07/03 Drivability is more the intake setup than anything. - xybertron 17:11:01 11/07/03 I'm leaving now.. I'm going home to my life. (n/m) - AshsZ 17:19:22 11/07/03 knock sensor off? - AshsZ 16:21:10 11/07/03 As far as I can tell... - xybertron 16:31:31 11/07/03 I know the knock sensor works with my JWT... - Funky 16:35:34 11/07/03 Well I need to clarify then. - xybertron 16:42:51 11/07/03 I'm running an OBD-II JWT ECU for my '96... - Funky 16:46:36 11/07/03 I'm talking about ODB-1 stuff. - xybertron 16:54:40 11/07/03 Yes, I'll be interested to see. (n/m) - Funky 16:56:00 11/07/03 Depends on what program you are looking at. (n/m) - AshsZ 16:54:59 11/07/03 Summarize for us. - xybertron 17:03:34 11/07/03 I'll save it for a rainy day. (n/m) - AshsZ 17:09:33 11/07/03 It has been raining here for a while. :-) www.weather.com - xybertron 17:11:58 11/07/03 From what I see, Ash's chip is safer - Kez43 (25mpg) 21:18:45 11/07/03 Really? - xybertron 06:17:57 11/08/03 ::shrug:: That's what Ash told me - Kez43 (25mpg) 14:36:29 11/08/03 vtd - Spee 16:55:39 11/07/03 My dB meter is loving it.. - AshsZ 17:00:43 11/07/03 A comparison would be most useful to me if it gave reasons - scottwerks 18:40:31 11/07/03 man thats long!! ^^^^ (n/m) - JunomeanGF 23:23:28 11/07/03 I'm buying either a BS or ASH chip in the coming months... - StormShadow 00:31:09 11/08/03
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